...to ask a question about Brexit that I can't find an answer to?

[Thelowquietsea]

Forgive me if I sound obtuse, but can someone please tell me...

If there is a general election and the Tories, as expected, win a majority, can Boris push through a no deal thereafter?

Or, can the new or existing legislation stopping a no deal come into play still?

I believe so sadly

If the new government actually had a majority it could overturn any legislation it wanted.

The point of a no deal is it's a default: the fall back option if nothing is arranged. So I imagine with enough pratting about, yes.

He wouldn't be trying to call a GE if that wasn't possible - the only reason there hasn't been a No Deal and billions for powerful people gambling upon it happening is that he's been defeated each time it's been put to a vote.

Get a majority, dispense with needing the DUP, anything he does gets passed = No Deal and lots of lovely cash in the bank.

It's so depressing. Genuinely depressing

Brexit is poison. It has split the country for generations to come. Thankful that I happened to move abroad for work a couple of years before the vote. Expect it will be permanent now.

He won't need to. He can get his deal through without the DUP

I think that's why the Lib Dems and SNP are going to vote against the PM's election timetable, then propose their own (set for 3 days earlier) based on an amendment to the original article 50 which would rule out a no-deal Brexit. .

But that's what I can't understand @venusandmars - and haven't been able to find any clarity on - why the Lib Dems are pushing for an early election? What is it that they have - what the amendment to the article 50 is - that would rule out a no deal? Can you explain?

I think (but not sure) that if preventing no-deal Brexit is in UK government legislation, then a new government, with a majority can re-write the legislation and overturn it.

If preventing no-deal is written into an updated article 50 then it's more secure.

However, I suspect that if the PM is considering agreeing to it, then it's because he thinks there's a wily way around it

Thanks @venusandmars

Yes, I imagine PM must think that

I feel frustrated with Lib dems, for wanting this, for wanting to gain seats.

Everyone is so self-serving

He doesn’t want no deal, he never wanted no deal. He wants to go down in history as having got an ‘excellent deal’ (his words, not mine) and then negotiated free trade agreements round the world.

There isn’t a secret plot. He wants His Deal because it is controllable.

Self-serving - yup.

I still can't quite forgive SNP for abstaining during the March 2019 'indicative votes' round re: a customs union (lost by 8 votes). We could have been in a much better place now if they had been less principled (and if they'd not had their eye on the Scottish Independence prize)

I think he wants an election because they know (hope) that the spread of Leave voters corresponds roughly with the spread of Tory voters so they’re likely to get a majority, in which case they can do what they want...reduced workers’ rights and skanky American chicken for everyone...huzzah!

Personally, I don’t think it should be allowed to go to a G because it’s not something that i) the electorate should be dictating what happens (great to know the opinions of millions, but given the split is pretty much 50:50, it’s taken 3 years to get nowhere and the public are not best placed to know the actual practicalities of leaving so it really should be left to the people who do (and even they can’t agree)) and 2) the Torres caused this so they should clear it up. A GE won’t solve anything as a different set of MPs will be just as divided and we really can’t claim to be a democracy if No Deal is slyly kicked through by a PM who was put in No 10 by around 20,000 Tories.

They are all unforgivable. All self-serving. Caroline Lucas is possibly the only MP I'd ever trust.

Why would he go for no deal when he has come up with a deal acceptable to his party? With a majority he would just get that approved. No deal was always just a fallback position, not the target.

As the EU have not yet offered the extension he sort of didnt ask for under the Benn act, if an election is called we would leave the EU automatically on Oct 31 before said election. This is why Labour et al don't want an election...

The government doesn't seem to know so I don't why you think people on AIBU would!

(Actually, I'd probably be more trusting of the people on AIBU so YANBU to ask)

Why would he go for no deal when he has come up with a deal acceptable to his party? With a majority he would just get that approved. No deal was always just a fallback position, not the target.

Getting out of Europe was the target. By fair means or foul. Boris (the puppet mannequined by the ERG) doesn't care how. It won't affect him if our economy is a shit storm. A populist leader who wants to save face, and would agree to anything to achieve that.