... to be irritated by pet owners going on about fireworks given the impact that people having pets has on society and the environment?

[Kallyderon]

It's just about time for the annual whingefest about people setting off fireworks to start and it's boring. If you own a domestic animal then your animal impacts on people around you all year round in terms of waste, meat production, safety, sanitation and noise. It also impacts on wildlife.

Given that, and given that no one is obliged to own another living creature, it's a bit much to expect all the other humans around you to refrain from doing something they enjoy because it might make your dog unhappy.

Tbh there are sound environmental reasons for opposition to fireworks but they don't do even half as much damage to wild creatures and their habitats as the average cat or dog, so that's a moot point anyway and obviously not of great concern to you otherwise you wouldn't own a dog.

So AIBU to say give it a rest?

YABVU. Fireworks are a noisy, environmentally unfriendly hazard to life in the hands of irresponsible thugs and children. They cause injury. They are used antisocially and sometimes used to commit criminal offences like assault / gbh / arson. They frighten animals, they trigger people with PTSD and those people with sensory processing issues. They need to be banned from general sale and used maybe on one or two nights per year in a licensed and properly organised display only. Anyone wanting to see them can still go to a display and not expect everyone else to put up with weeks of the wretched things

Pets serve a purpose and I dont think that because we allegedly "created" them that we think it's ok not to consider them in our actions honestly?

They serve a purpose, just like flying or driving a big diesel engine car, or single use plastics. But we need to make considered choices when using any of these things.

There is no allegedly about it. Have you ever seen a pug? They do not occur in nature. They are bred for us. Do you think, if we didn't demand and invent pets, for our own amusement, there would be packs of wild yorkies, roaming free? Neutered rescues and guide dogs etc are different, I have to say again.

The article I referred to earlier, (which I still can't fecking find), talked about how pet dog ownership especially does serve a purpose; they provide companionship and community for owners. But, what if we interacted a bit more with humans? Want something to look after? There are people in need all over this country. Want companionship? Loneliness is a huge problem in modern society.

Again, I'm not saying ban pets, but think about it and research the impact on the planet before buying one.

I own two 'living creatures' otherwise known as very small children. They are disrupted by fireworks. As am I and my FH. Round here bonfire 'night' starts around now and goes on well into November. It's not good, it's dangerous and very annoying, especially because it goes on till the early hours. I kind of get your point if it's for one night...but it isn't, and the amount of people letting off fireworks in their gardens seems to have massively increased may be a tad sensitive as it's like Guy fucking Fawkes and his pals live near us

DH, not sure who FH would be!

Pets serve a purpose and I dont think that because we allegedly "created" them that we think it's ok not to consider them in our actions honestly?

But you're right about considering them in our actions. Cruel to buy a pet, which doesn't have a choice and then not care when they are distressed.

Me and my kids are subjected to barking dogs all year round.

And plenty of people are subjected to their neighbours’ annoying screaming kids all year round. What’s your point?

Fireworks are a noisy, environmentally unfriendly hazard to life in the hands of irresponsible thugs and children. They cause injury. They are used antisocially and sometimes used to commit criminal offences like assault / gbh / arson.

Are you taking the piss?

All those things apply to let’s, more so than to fireworks

Pets. Not let’s

I am pretty sure more people are injured by dogs each year than fireworks?

People hate fireworks for the impact they have on people, not just animals. They should be banned especially in urban areas. It's needless and selfish and incredibly unsafe because there's not enough space to set them off at a safe distance from buildings, roads and trees. Never mind the number of households being affected by one household's decision to make a racket. YABVVU.

Pets used to commit arson? Where?

Meh I like fireworks and my dog isn’t scared of them. In fact we nearly called him fawkes as he was born on 5th November.

As for your post.,. How many children do you have op?

Dogs as pets are not a human invention. Dogs and humans have lived closely together for 30,000 and have co-evolved. The first dogs joined human societies because presumably they got a benefit e.g. access to waste food. Both got companionship.

You might as well say dogs as pets were a dog invention.

All more antisocial than me owning dogs so fuck off.

Hear hear.

Fireworks are pretty. Some humans are too stupid to be allowed to be in charge of them. I think selling them to individuals is a bit daft, go to a display.

The actual question though, about the pets bit? Well, it's not like firework season comes as a shock is it? Not like a nation sits there and is like "fuck! Where on Earth are all of these fireworks coming from all of a sudden. It's November!" Pretty obvious it's going to happen, so yeh, lock Rex away or summit and stop moaning about the animals already.

It seems weirdly sociopathic to be totally unmoved by causing unnecessary fear to another living thing.

You’re being weird. People objecting to fireworks because it makes Tiddles cry: not legitimate

People aren’t allowed to complain that fireworks upset their pet? Who made you the thread police? And how does my vegan, retired very quiet horse impact on the environment bar contributing manure? He couldn’t care less about fireworks (nor could my meat eating not allowed to chase wildlife dogs. We sit in the garden to watch the neighbour’s annual display, but I didn’t like the effect they had on my old boy. YABU.

See if fire works we’re only actually used on the 5th and not from early October (locally ours started September 15th this year) through mid February and launched at 3am in the middle of the street I wouldn’t give a flying fuck.

One night a year it’d be affordable to get medical treatment (sedatives) into anxious dogs, leave loud radios on, wear ear defenders, sleep with ear plugs etc for humans.

If people can’t be responsible or trusted not to buy them for arseholes who launch them at people, through letterboxes, at cars/houses/farm animals and all the other dumb shit they do they should only be available for displays. Maybe even if the council opened permits for displays where you had to have x amount of space, provide the exact time and date and pay a small fee/be willing to pay if you damage your neighbours property then you could legally obtain them at a cost it’d help reduce the number of incidents on the streets.

As usual with these threads the more I read posts by some of the cunts who hate dogs, the more I prefer my dogs

It seems weirdly sociopathic to be totally unmoved by causing unnecessary fear to another living thing.

Well said Cohle

I used to have a sweatshirt that had

‘The more people I meet, the more I love my horse’ on the front.

Still true.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bonfire-night-2018-fireworks-display-events-injuries-graphic-pictures-warning-doctors-a8618646.html

I used to have a sweatshirt that had ‘The more people I meet, the more I love my horse’ on the front. Still true.

Ha - I think I need one of those!

As usual with these threads the more I read posts by some of the cunts who hate dogs, the more I prefer my dogs
Not sure who that’s aimed at.

To clarify, I have two dogs.

I know that to do so is inconsiderate of the environment, and I would never dream that as a dog owner who inconveniences lots of other people I should dictate that they can or can’t have fireworks if they want to

This is so weird, I feel like I've stumbled upon an alternative spiteful planet. Wheat as a parent of a child with Down's Syndrome can you not see that your bigger, bangier fireworks could negatively impact a child or adult with Autism nearby? OP, your objection to pets because they harm wildlife is absurd in light of your argument being that you should be allowed fireworks, how do you think birds/ hedgehogs/ foxes/ feel about them? The same as you? 'Yeah, let's piss off all the dogs and cats in their homes while we have no protection'? If you step in dog shit that's a result of an arsehole owner, not an arsehole dog. My old dog and family cat used to sit outside and watch the fireworks together, my cat now doesn't care but I have an ex racer Greyhound who is so inconsolably distressed during fireworks, 2 young children who are often disturbed by them. Where I grew up there were arseholes who taped them to frogs/ cats/ anything they could find, they were thrown at strangers/ cars. Posted through doors as a 'joke'. I would agree with a ban except for organised displays.