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AIBU to wonder if those who are in favour of Johnson’s ‘deal’...

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theunknownknown · 18/10/2019 07:03

have considered why the commitments to workers’ rights have been downgraded?
And why workers should trust him on this? Given that he is a proven liar.

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theunknownknown · 18/10/2019 18:27

I reckon that in five years time, finding someone who admits to have voted for this will be rarer than hens teeth.

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Lazypuppy · 18/10/2019 18:34

@theunknownknown i voted for Brexit, that doesn't mean i voted for this, this is a dhambles as the politicians have spent 3 years throwing their toys out the pram trying to stop it instead of working on a deal, and now we're left in this state

Roussette · 18/10/2019 18:39

I'm appalled that some Labour MPs are planning to vote for this hard deal tomorrow. And they voted against May's deals. I've made my feelings known to them.

Please read these two articles. They set out very succinctly what is wrong with this 'deal'.

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/johnsons-brexit-deal-far-worse-than-theresa-mays-and-infinitely-inferior-to-remaining

These facts in this following article scare me greatly.

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/10/18/johnson-s-deal-the-reality-of-what-is-being-proposed

theunknownknown · 18/10/2019 19:37

i voted for Brexit, that doesn't mean i voted for this, this is a dhambles as the politicians have spent 3 years throwing their toys out the pram trying to stop it instead of working on a deal, and now we're left in this state

You see, I don't agree with this. May did not create any cross party dialogue and given that the result was so slim, it was extremely remiss of her that she didn't. But she was too myopic about keeping the right of her party happy and putting the party before country. And we have now ended up with the hardest of brexits.

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Tellmetruth4 · 18/10/2019 19:50

I’m sorry but if you voted leave you did vote for this. It was a great leap into the unknown where anything could fill the void.

I voted for remain not because I love the EU, in fact I have many reservations and am not a fan of free movement but until I saw what would replace it I would never vote to leave. It would’ve been akin to giving away my house with a promise of a new one, not knowing what, where or what state the new house would be in. That would be crazy and that’s exactly what happened when people voted for Brexit.

David Cameron should never have called a referendum without giving voters a flavour of what it would be replaced with. I still cannot believe 17.4m people voted for something that had never been even shaped let alone agreed and I’m still angry about it. Because nothing was agreed every Uber capitalist charlatan can now claim any old bollocks is the ‘will of the people’.

theunknownknown · 19/10/2019 09:34

You see the problem I have with DC calling the referendum and then failing to convince leavers of the merits of staying is that he would have to admit that many of the perceived failings of the EU were issues brought about by the Tory party ideological austerity mantra. The EU and ‘immigrants’ provided useful cover for the tories and to tell the truth would uncover their lies and deceit.

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Iggly · 19/10/2019 09:36

This is actually a path to no deal.

This “deal” is just a marker in the sand and, in substance, is not different to the backstop. It’s just a time frame for negotiations and agreeing a trade deal.

Dressed up as “a deal”.

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