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Would we be unreasonable to fix this?

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SunshineAngel · 17/10/2019 11:42

I don't know if anyone remembers (probably not) but I posted a thread a while back about struggles we've been having with my partner's ex, who is overbearing with my DSS. i.e. making decisions about him, buying him things we've said no to, or have said he should save up for himself, turning up at the house to see him with no notice, taking him out at weekends when it's our contact time and we'd planned things, etc.

The general consensus on here was that I was a jealous stepmum, and that I should let DSS see whoever he wants. I stopped talking about it then because I thought you know what, you're probably right. Even though a part of me really still thought it was just too much.

But.

I had a chat with DSS last night, after the ex turned up at the house at just gone 10.30pm bringing him some sweets that he liked (chocolate orange twirls - there might be a few missing when he gets home from college hahaha). 10.30pm is his bedtime, so he was in bed, as he was knackered so went a bit early last night. It was pitch black, we don't live in the best area, and she didn't say she was coming to drop something off, so tbh I was scared to open the door, so I didn't. I knew if it was anyone important they would phone/text. Anyway, she phoned DSS and he came downstairs and opened the door, and she kept him chatting for ages.

He came in to me after she had gone and said "When is this going to stop?" I asked what he meant, and he said that since her and his dad split, he has only been going along with things and going out with her because she's been telling him how sad and lonely she feels, and how she feels like she is missing out because we're all here being a happy family (we're not - we're all incredibly busy, so any family time is rare and precious) and she's not. I believe he only said this to me as he was grumpy as hell at having been dragged out of bed, when there's no reason she couldn't have come earlier, or today instead, or even just posted them through the door!

He says it annoys him when she comes to pick him up at weekends, as he doesn't get chance to go out with us, or to see his grandparents, or to go out with his friends, but he doesn't know how to ask her to stop.

I said it's important for him to still see her, if he was okay with that, as she was living with him for 8 years and helped a lot bringing him up. I suggested perhaps a day out each month or something similar (she sees him at least 4 days a week atm for one reason or another, most of which are unplanned. She also picks him up from college regularly despite not having been asked, and us paying a lot of money for a bus pass for him this year) and he just sighed and said that sounds okay, but he bets she would still always be calling and texting.

I will admit that it came as a shock to me to hear this. The main reason we have been putting up with her behaviour is because we thought he was happy going out with her and seeing her, but he's now saying it's stopping him doing things, and they don't have much fun anyway, and he only does it because she guilt trips him and he feels sorry for her because she had to go back and live with her dad at the age of 45 and has been there ever since.

My partner was all for calling her there and then to say stop it, let HIM make contact as and when he wants from now on. She has been a pain for the whole two years we've been together. I would never stop her seeing him, contrary to what I was accused of on the last thread I posted, but I did feel it was inappropriate with the level of contact she was trying to maintain.

Is there any way to delicately solve this so that everyone is happy? The last thing we need right now is drama! DSS is loving life since he started college, and think it has just become more of an issue now as he wants to be more independent - so whereas it sort of suited him to go along with her when he was at school, it really doesn't now.

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TuckMyWin · 17/10/2019 14:15

I think this should come from your partner, OP. You being involved will muddy the waters and risk it becoming about you, and not about ds (as you found out in your previous post, by the sounds of it!)

It sounds like a difficult situation. If this woman effectively brought your dss up for many years, then it's natural (and good!) for her to want to maintain contact, and to miss him. But it sounds like she's overstepping boundaries quite significantly, and is using your ds for emotional support, which is inappropriate.

I think your suggestion of a regular day out. However great your ds is, he's 16, and like most teenagers probably pretty thoughtless! It would be easy for him to get caught up in his own life and not maintain contact, which would be a shame for him as well as her. But, as a pp said, he shouldn't be expected to bear the weight of maintaining so many parental relationships to this extent, it's not fair. He needs time to create his own independent life as well. And it's fair for him to look to his father to support him to do this.

TuckMyWin · 17/10/2019 14:18

Sorry, so many typos! That should say your suggestion of a regular day out is a good one, and of course I mean your dss, not ds :)

Jellybeansincognito · 17/10/2019 14:22

Your partner needs to step up, I mean.. no offence but he has a mum and dad, if your partner was a good parent there would be boundary’s in place for his partners. For example, look how involved you’re getting.

It’s not your place, be there for him yes, but don’t get involved unless he physically asks for it.

Poor kid has had his mum walk out on him, his dads ex partner being heavily involved and still wanting a relationship with him and then you, who i think is being too heavily involved

I know you mean well though.

Jellybeansincognito · 17/10/2019 14:24

That sounds so harsh. Genuinely don’t mean for it to be that harsh sounding. But why are you at his defence before his own dad is?

lyralalala · 17/10/2019 14:45

Your partner needs to sit down with his DS and find out what he wants.

Does he feel as strongly as he said to you or was that a bit of frustration bubbling over and combining with tiredness.

Then he needs to speak to his ex and set some boundaries, then help his son keep those boundaries that he wants.

AryaStarkWolf · 17/10/2019 14:56

It’s not your place, be there for him yes, but don’t get involved unless he physically asks for it.

tbf he did pyhsically ask for it :

"He came in to me after she had gone and said "When is this going to stop?" I asked what he meant, and he said that since her and his dad split, he has only been going along with things and going out with her because she's been telling him how sad and lonely she feels, and how she feels like she is missing out because we're all here being a happy family (we're not - we're all incredibly busy, so any family time is rare and precious) and she's not. I believe he only said this to me as he was grumpy as hell at having been dragged out of bed, when there's no reason she couldn't have come earlier, or today instead, or even just posted them through the door!"

TheDarkPassenger · 17/10/2019 14:59

Hmmm when did she take over care for him?

I’m technically step mum to my 11 year old but he’s been with me most of his life and barely has a relationship with his mum. I’d be devastated if me and his dad broke up and that was the end of mine and his relationship too!

NeedingAdvice29 · 17/10/2019 14:59

I think it’s weird as hell than an ex of his dads is still trying to be in his life.

TheDarkPassenger · 17/10/2019 15:00

What is it they say on clueless?

You divorce people, not children

LagunaBubbles · 17/10/2019 15:06

Why are you discouraging him from seeing his mum? Does she have alcohol/drug issues?

Apart from the fact its not his Mum what are you reading to state that the OP is discouraging him in anyway? I would suggest you reread the first post.

Ponoka7 · 17/10/2019 15:16

@NeedingAdvice29,she's been in his life for eight years. So from around seven. It's to any Step parent's credit that they don't just disappear.

She needs to give him space though. I'd actually say that this is typical of even biological teens, they want space to discover themselves when they've left school.

OP you shouldn't be at the meeting. It might get emotional and you don't want her throwing in that you might be temporary as well, etc. Leave them to sort it out.

SunshineAngel · 17/10/2019 15:46

@Jellybeansincognito I'm the one posting because I'm the one with an account on this site. You say I'm too involved but really? I live with them, I don't want things to be upsetting him. I can't just switch off caring, can I?

@TheDarkPassenger Yeah, but she isn't his mum, and DSS doesn't want to see her as much as she's insisting on. Who are you saying is clueless here? Are you suggesting that we should insist that he continues to see her several times a week when he doesn't want to? If it was his mum then maybe (though I think at 16 he can see who he wants) but she's not.

@Ponoka7 I absolutely agree that it's to her credit that she hasn't just left and never looked back. That's why we're so torn about it - and we want to find some kind of happy medium where they see each other but she doesn't guilt trip him when it's not as much as she might want.

Ultimately, I think the poor woman is lonely. She lives with her dad, who is always busy and out a lot, and she never never looked remotely likely to get another partner since her and my partner split, a number of years ago now. So I do feel sorry for her, but that's not a burden to put on a 16yo. Heck, no 16yo would want to spend that much time with an adult, whether that's a parent, stepparent, ex stepparent or anything else!

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TheDarkPassenger · 17/10/2019 15:50

@SunshineAngel

Clueless is the film I was quoting 🙄

Jellybeansincognito · 17/10/2019 15:51

It was your use of ‘we’ in this sentence in your OP that was quite telling:

‘my partner's ex, who is overbearing with my DSS. i.e. making decisions about him, buying him things we've said no to, or have said he should save up for himself, turning up at the house to see him with no notice, taking him out at weekends when it's our contact time and we'd planned things, etc’

We- in these terms means mum and dad, he has both.

He did strike a conversation with you about this, but you’re hardly the biased person here.
His mum and dad should be more invested in this than you.

You can care, of course you can but this isn’t just caring if you’re making parental decisions- which I’m assuming you are because of your use of ‘we’ and that’s where the line is drawn with me tbh.

Motoko · 17/10/2019 15:54

Your partner needs to tell her to stop telling his son that she's lonely. That's a heavy burden to put on a 16 year old.

SunshineAngel · 17/10/2019 15:57

@Jellybeansincognito I said "we" because he feels comfortable asking both my partner and myself for money when he wants things, hence obviously I have to make a decision when he asks me. He might ask me or him for a game, for example, and if I think it's appropriate I will tell him to save up for it if it's not too much, or offer him extra chores to earn it.

I only really get involved with what I'm asked to by DSS.. if he didn't feel comfortable asking me for money it wouldn't matter, but he does. He also asks for my advice about lots of things, I help him with his college work, etc. That's not to say his dad does nothing by the way, he absolutely does, he knows he can come to both of us.

I know what you mean, but I think when you live with a child/young person you're automatically going to be involved. It's not like my partner and I are just dating. It's more pronounced because he lives with us the majority of the time. He chooses - and always has done - to come to me when he needs something, or needs to ask something. I'd rather we got on well than had a difficult relationship! I'm never going to say "Sorry, I can't get too involved" as that just seems cold to me. If he's happy for me to play the role I'm playing - and my partner and DSS's mum both are too - then who is anyone else to say that's too much or not right? I'd never force anything on him, or do anything against his parents' wishes.

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stucknoue · 17/10/2019 16:17

At 16 he needs to sit down with your help and write a letter laying out how much contact he wants, remembering her involvement when he was young but making it more appropriate for a 16 year old

Bluetrews25 · 17/10/2019 16:36

College should be very time consuming.
All his spare time he will be working hard to get good grades so he can do what he wants to do in life. Or working in the local shop to earn extra cash. (Let's just gloss over any socialising with his friends, learning to drive, catching up on sleep, gaming Wink)
DSS will call her when he has a minute. I'm sure.
He's a bit old for trips to the zoo and sweeties, really.

SunshineAngel · 17/10/2019 18:33

@Bluetrews25 I think that's why it's getting to him now, because college IS time consuming, he's joined sports teams, two after school activities, and has homework to do.. so he just wants to chill and doesn't want to be dragged here, there and everywhere.

Another reason she's caused a bit of trouble recently is because of driving lessons (seeing as you mentioned them!) as she's booked him for a block of 10 lessons starting on his 17th birthday - despite knowing full well that I have a family member who is an instructor and had offered to teach him for free, with the agreement of both DSS's mum and dad. She just does weird things like that all the time and I think it's to prove a point, but I don't know why, as my partner has never tried to stop her seeing him or anything.

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Bluetrews25 · 17/10/2019 18:57

Trying to buy his love and/or showing she is still valid as a parent figure?
Sadly, she is just showing how little she knows him or any other college aged young adult by expecting to see him so much.
It's time for Dad to step in, certainly as far as contact is concerned.

DNR · 17/10/2019 19:26

It sounds like you're being a really good mum to him. I'm so sorry for his previous stepmum but she needs to back off. Not completely but even with kids under your own roof, when they get to 16, you might need to back off.

DNR · 17/10/2019 19:33

Agree it cannot come from you. Needs to be DH or DSS. Probably DH.

OrchidInTheSun · 17/10/2019 19:39

Your partner need to tell her to back off. You can't do it and your DSS shouldn't have to do it. He's the parent.

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