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To ask about working and living in Central London?

73 replies

QuestionableMouse · 15/10/2019 19:35

I'm a northern girl through and through. Longest I've spent down south is two weeks when I was on holiday 😂.

I'm registered with Debut which is a graduate role matching app.

99% of the job I'm matching with are in Central London and to be honest, the thought of living and working in such a big city scares the pants off me. (I currently live in a small village and work/go to uni in Sunderland, for context.)

I'm a mature student (also for context!)

Please can you share your experiences and any advice?

Thank you!

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WantToBeMum · 15/10/2019 23:54

@QuestionableMouse
London is covered by 9 zones. The centre is zone 1 and they extend roughly in rings up to zone 9, which is pretty much not in London. The further out you go, the less built up it is but the more you pay to travel in.

camelfinger · 15/10/2019 23:57

I ended up here (well, on the outskirts) 20 years ago. Was supposed to be for a couple of years as I assumed everyone would be unfriendly and I couldn’t afford it but here we are! It’s home now, and has positives and negatives like anywhere but there’s certainly always lots to do. Many people in London come from somewhere else, I’m sure they don’t all turn into dickheads as soon as they enter the M25.

The zones are based on the tube or train zones. See a tube map to see this more clearly. Zone 1 is the middle, where it is generally most expensive. Zone 5-6 is further away, but is generally cheaper to live in. What can work for many people is to work in zone 1 (where most jobs are) but live on a direct train/tube line to their destination in an outer zone so it’s still fairly quick to get to work and cheaper. For example, living in Harrow and working near Moorgate.

My advice would be to consider the jobs, try it for a couple of years and see how it goes.

IzzyIslington · 16/10/2019 00:01

Over the summer we visited London and hated it. Its not a cluster of villages. Its a city, with people ignoring one and other. Heads down, doing their business.

You're missing the point. If you actually lived here and used the local shops and services, you'd have people to chat to in the street, just as you do in a village or small town. I've lived on my block for almost 20 years and know all the local shopkeepers and plenty of neighbours to pass the time of day with. Rarely leave the house without at least a wave from someone.

Tortoiser · 16/10/2019 00:05

@QuestionableMouse
If Sunderland sometimes feels too big, then quite probably London might be troublesome.
I’d recommend coming down for a few days during the week and doing stuff at rush hour to see how you feel. Ie get on a Central Line train at Bank (the Central Line is notoriously hot) or get on a Northern Line train at Euston going south to Bank (another very busy line). Just to see how you feel.
Week days are quite different to weekends.
I’ve been here for well over 20 years now and love it. But it’s definitely not for everyone. Good luck whatever you decide.

Plural · 16/10/2019 00:11

@Tortoiser I've lifted in London basically all my life and I would hate it if I tried to navigate bank during rush hour but you can live life in London avoiding those rush hour crunch points and the other parts make up for it!

Tortoiser · 16/10/2019 00:22

@Plural though, if the Op hates crowds and congestion (she said she did) I think it’s worth seeing what the bad bad bits are. And if she can cope with the really shit bits, then whay hay!! Bank still confuses the hell out of me and I used to change there for 10 years!

QuestionableMouse · 16/10/2019 00:44

Oh no, tell me everything. I honestly really appreciate it and I'm finding this very interesting!

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ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 16/10/2019 00:50

Bank tube station is next to the Bank of England and is one of the most complex stations with multiple lines interchanging and exits that appear to deliver you into a new dimension. If you can stay sane navigating that in the rush hour you are a better person than me. I used it for years and it still surprised me.

AllTheNameAreTakenEvenThisOne · 16/10/2019 01:08

QuestionableMouse when looking where to live in London, pay no attention to the map or to distances as the crow flies from your place of work. London is actively unfriendly to cars. I think there's a thread on here are the moment about it taking an hour to drive 6 miles. I knew it was in London before opening it.

Instead, look at the tube and/or train lines that an easily get you to your place of work, and then look at places to stay along those lines.

Let's say you have a new job in Liverpool Street, for example. Then good places to live would be along stops along the Central line (red), Hammersmith and City line (pink) and Metropolitan line (burgundy).

(I've not included the circle line (yellow) as all those places are very central and therefore probably too expensive!)

You could also reasonably look at any places along other tube lines that intersect with those lines in a way that would mean you changed once, so that opens up many possibilities.

If you change your mind and want somewhere urban, get a place nearer the centre.

If you want somewhere leafy, choose somewhere on the outside of town. e.g. the stops towards the East of the Central Line go out into Essex, beyond Epping Forest. You could live near a forest and work in the City and earn £££. (Loads of people do).

I imagine the stops to the West of the Metropolitan line are leafy too, but I don't know West London well.

Beware the places in the North of the tube map aren't London at all! e.g. Watford is not London!

Estimate v. approx 2 minutes per tube stop to get an idea of the commute time.

My favourite place to live as a newcomer to London would be Highgate. Far enough out of the centre to be not so manic. Beautiful green spaces nearby e.g. Highgate Wood and Hampstead Heath. Stunning views over the city. Pretty, but still in London proper.

To ask about working and living in Central London?
CampingItUp · 16/10/2019 01:10

London is full of people from all over the Uk who came here for the work. Including many who grew up in villages.

AllTheNameAreTakenEvenThisOne · 16/10/2019 01:11

Bank tube station is next to the Bank of England and is one of the most complex stations with multiple lines interchanging and exits that appear to deliver you into a new dimension

Never change between central and circle lines at Bank / Monument if you can possibly avoid it! Life is too short!

I timed it once when I used to work near there, and was young and fit. 11 minutes. That's 11 minutes walking underground thinking - surely we're nearly there now? This is going on forever!!...

11 minutes is an unacceptable change time to a Londoner!

AllTheNameAreTakenEvenThisOne · 16/10/2019 01:17

Just in case you do decide to go for it ... as well as the tubes, there's a rail network in London. So if you're looking for places to live and commute to a job, this opens up more places to you - especially South London, which is very badly served by tubes.

If you want somewhere quieter, there are plenty of less full-on places you can live in London and commute in to your job. There's so much exciting stuff to do and see in London, take the chance while you can I reckon!

AllTheNameAreTakenEvenThisOne · 16/10/2019 01:18

Oops, meant to attach this!

To ask about working and living in Central London?
managedmis · 16/10/2019 01:19

I love these threads about London

AllTheNameAreTakenEvenThisOne · 16/10/2019 01:21

I miss London Sad

OccamsRaiser · 16/10/2019 03:23

That's 11 minutes walking underground thinking - surely we're nearly there now? This is going on forever!!...
Would have been 6 minutes exiting the tube station, walking above ground and going back inside Grin

Bluerussian · 16/10/2019 04:54

There are some lovely parts of London, Islington in North London is one and fairly central. Blackheath and Greenwich are good places, villages, in the South East, lots of rental properties and excellent transport links to central London. Bromley and Chislehurst too - Chislehurst village is gorgeous.

Nextphonewontbesamsung · 16/10/2019 07:30

I live in Zone 2 in a very green enclave, friendly high street full of independent shops, cafes and bars but no tube station. It takes 11 minutes to get to one of the central mainline stations by overground train and there are 6 trains per hour. People forget that the overground trains exist but I much prefer travelling by train or bus to the tube.

OP, I really think your experience of London will be coloured by the kind of job you get. Your colleagues will be your friends for a time so I would be tempted to look for work in larger companies with lots of young people. London isn't an unfriendly place, that's a ridiculous thing to say whoever said it, but realistically you don't just meet a whole new crowd of people overnight.

I'm sure I would be lonely for a while if I moved to Sunderland on my own, or a "friendly village" in the countryside.

pinkdelight · 16/10/2019 08:29

I'm a northerner who fell in love at first sight with London and have lived here since uni, 25 years now. From your posts I would say don't do it. Just because an app shows a lot of jobs there is no reason to move here. Do your own research - I bet there's jobs elsewhere. You must have thought about this when you chose your career and although of course there's lots of industry-specific roles in London, there's bound to be opportunities beyond here. Your posts don't sound like naive but might like london when you get used to it'. You sound like you know yourself and what you're happy with. Sure it's good to stretch your comfort zone, but I often think that london is just too hard, too expensive and too big if you've not got some kind of unconditional love for it. Why else would anyone put up with the northern line crush at rush hour?? If you don't have to live here, and you don't want to, don't. Even a smaller main city like Edinburgh would be far less full on. Anywhere would. And you wouldn't be living in central London either. Most people can't afford to, so there's always an hour or so's journey into work from whichever 'village' you've found your little corner called home.

Honestly, I still love it, which has kept me here, but I've tried to move out several times for all the sensible reasons and when I see how chilled life can be up north, I think I must be nuts. So unless you try it and suddenly your heart is leaping as you cross Waterloo bridge, do some better digging for jobs in the rest of the UK and enjoy yourself!

Meshy23 · 16/10/2019 10:10

@Ithinkwerealonenowtiffany

It sounds like you visited London once - and presumably only zone 1 (and possibly zone 2 at a stretch).

Most people live in the suburbs and places like blackheath, dulwich, brockley all have a very villagey feel - think open spaces (blackheath is where the London marathon starts), and a real sense of community.

Also the further out you go to there are real rural parts too - epsom in surrey, and the metro land areas on the outskirts of the metropolitan line in Hertfordshire. Still part of Greater London and still commutable but not at all what you would say is central London.

So I don’t think someone can go to London on a very short trip and make such a snap judgement about it.

CampingItUp · 16/10/2019 10:22

In reality someone taking an entry level first job is unlikely to be able to afford to live in many of the lovely areas referenced here.

Live where you can afford, and where the transport suits your commute. You will be at work in central London all week and can travel to fabulous green places all over and round London at weekends.

You are young and will find life very social, you don’t want to get stuck in a far flung suburb, however villagey, where the trains stop at 11pm.

JoJoSM2 · 16/10/2019 10:34

www.met.police.uk/sd/stats-and-data/met/crime-data-dashboard/

I'd familiarise yourself with that so you don't end up somewhere stabby.
On the commuting front, if you're close to central London, e.g. Zones 2-3, you'll need sharp elbows to get on. DH commutes on a train from zone 5- it starts at our station so he gets a window seat and it's a direct train. Changing at London terminals can be a nightmare.

Are you going to work in the city? For quiet locations on the edge of London, I'd recommend Cheam, Carshalton Beeches, Hayes (Bromley) or Chislehurst. To be out of London and in a rural location, have a look at Claygate or maybe catching a train to Sevenoaks and then driving/biking to an outlying village.

MsMightyTitanAndHerTroubadours · 16/10/2019 10:39

absolutely never change at Bank, I left London in the eighties and I am still underground trying to get northbound.

My top tip is to try and commute in the opposite direction...I used to live in Kilburn and worked in Harrow so that was a doddle

I'd recommend London to everyone, imo once you have city living under your belt then the world is your oyster. It is what you make it though and if you are going with the mindset that you are going to be unhappy then it isn't going to work

I would go back in a heartbeat, if I won the lottery tomorrow I'd be off!

midnightmisssuki · 16/10/2019 10:39

London is amazing - my opinion of course. I couldn’t live in the countryside (husbands family are spread out a little) but that’s me. I love the pace of london. I love the insane tube rush and the cosmopolitan people that make it what it is. I know people say Londoners are not friendly, but I find they are.

ColaFreezePop · 16/10/2019 10:44

OP I was born and grew up in London then went a way for university and work, then moved back and haven't left.

Even though I had family and old friends living here, so I had temporary places to stay, to form my own social networks I took up sports and used websites like meetup.

If you live anywhere in zones 2-5 get a cheapish bike with appropriate locks. Even if you don't cycle into work for some local journeys it is useful as it is a quick way of getting around. If you are scared of just getting on and riding, then different boroughs have cheap schemes where you can have lessons on riding in traffic.

Also the further out you go to there are real rural parts too - epsom in surrey, and the metro land areas on the outskirts of the metropolitan line in Hertfordshire. Still part of Greater London and still commutable but not at all what you would say is central London.
Epsom and those parts of Hertfordshire are not parts of Greater London. They refused to become part of London when it last expanded.