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To think one hour for six miles is ridiculous

131 replies

Lilacviolet · 15/10/2019 08:06

No accident or other obvious reason, sheet weight of traffic.

AIBU to think this country’s roads are a joke?

OP posts:
Wineiscooling · 15/10/2019 09:29

There are many people like me who have no choice but to drive. I have 2 children in different schools and just about get to work on time by driving. If I walked/cycled/took public transport one of the children wouldn't make school plus I would be at least half hour late for work. Anyway, I need my car to do my job.
Not everyone is confident to cycle. I tried it with my children one day a few weeks a go when I was off work and never again, the roads are so busy and I was a nervous wreck trying to keep my eye on a 7 and 10 year old.
My husband has a 25 mile commute. It takes about an hour. On public transport it would be 3 buses and about 2 and a half hours.
We definitely need better roads. I'm north west and agree with previous poster, our town has no ring road. My school runs takes 45 minutes to do a 5 mile round trip.

Cam77 · 15/10/2019 09:30

@Kazzyhoward
I agree with you about lopsided London spending though. However, brace yourself for that to go into overdrive post Brexit, with poorer UK regions losing billions of EU structural funds. Of course, I’m sure the Tories have plans in place to mitigate the worst hit areas given their history of concern for the poor and disadvantaged.

Hollycatberry · 15/10/2019 09:34

Why is it difficult? Starving public transport of investment is virtually Tory party policy going right back to Thatcher, but other options are available

Well politically no party is going to spend money on public transport that people don't use, when that money is needed for plenty of other things. It's a self-fulfilling situation - public transport isn't convenient so people don't use it. Then it gets cut further etc.

Spending billions on public transport and taxing cars to the hilt will probably not a hit with voters outside London. People like the convenience of usng their car and who can blame them. There is no way you can come up with a cheap public transport system that caters to the variety of journies taken, at the times that people want to take those journies, especially in rural locations. So instead let's focus on other practical options like how we can reduce peak traffic volumes which we can start doing today with changes to the way we work and commute.

Abraid2 · 15/10/2019 09:37

Some country roads are too dangerous to cycle on. Our town is 5.5 miles away but one mile of the road is very narrow, potholed and dark in winter. I'm a fairly intrepid cyclist but wouldn't do it in winter.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 15/10/2019 09:38

No accident or other obvious reason, sheet weight of traffic.

...Which you are part of.

You're blaming "traffic" as if you have no involvement in it.

Benes · 15/10/2019 09:42

I love how people assume everyone can cycle/use public transport.

I can't cycle as I often have lots to carry. Public transport would take close to two hours (where as driving is 35 mins) and would cost an absolute fortune as I cross a border.

However, i work from home at least two days a week and try to walk the school run - unless i need to be in work super early. My car is an absolute necessity though.

darkcloudsandrainstorms · 15/10/2019 09:42

No. The population is the problem. It is unsustainable and becoming worse. We are a small densely packed country.

There are problems with energy, water and food will be next.

The people you have voted for do not understand science and engineering. All they are good for is speaking and getting you to vote for them.

The outlook is bleak and well understood.

AdalindMeisner · 15/10/2019 09:44

Daily school run and back, twice a day here. Not going to lie I actually don't mind it as it is the only quiet alone time I get in day.

BreastedBoobilyToTheStairs · 15/10/2019 09:44

YANBU at all. 1hr 30 mins for 9 miles for me this morning.

I car share with family travelling the same way, and the driver has no option other than to drive as she needs her car for work. I work 5 mins away from her and live on her way in, so there's no deviation from her normal commute.

When she's on leave or not going to the office I take public transport rather than drive in the the town centre. When the traffic is bad it can take 2hrs on the bus to get in, then I have to walk for 15mins (paying over £6 for the privilege of a day ticket). Walking all the way isn't an option, neither is cycling - the roads are absolutely horrendous for cyclists and I often have a wheely bag with my work laptop/a fair amount of paperwork inside. To get any other form of public transport I have to drive to get to it anyway which involves driving along a road to a business park so the traffic is terrible there too, the parking is cash only with machines that often break so you have to go to another floor, pay for parking, and then get to the station to discover that the trains have been cancelled, are running very late, or are too busy to get on, so you aren't getting in on time anyway.

Now they're talking about introducing a congestion charge in the city to reduce pollution. Great, but they've indicated no intention to sort out the public transport infrastructure first. It's a joke.

adaline · 15/10/2019 09:47

You're blaming "traffic" as if you have no involvement in it.

Yes, but not everyone has a choice. We don't all live in areas with reliable, regular, affordable public transport.

It would take me four plus hours to get to work by public transport (on the first train of the day) and even then I'd be two hours late!

LemonGingerCakes · 15/10/2019 09:53

You can’t walk or cycle if you need to transport several boxes of heavy books or equipment for work.

You can’t walk or cycle it you work 20 miles away from work.

Driving to work takes me 20-40 minutes (depending on traffic) and gets me to work on time. Public transport (including connections and waiting) takes minimum 1 hour 40 minutes and either gets be in ridiculously early, or 10 minutes late. Public transport also costs me twice as much as driving (not including car servicing etc).

It’s not as straight forward as drivers causing the problem. If it were, it’d be an easy problem to sort.

MoodLighting · 15/10/2019 09:56

Well there's going to alternative than wholesale investment in public transport, if we're to deliver net zero carbon emissions by 2050 - which is legally binding policy introduced by Theresa May.

dottiedodah · 15/10/2019 10:01

We live on South Coast any trips to next town absolutely frightful! The rush hour virtually impassable .Even later on in the day (I am a SAHP who takes dog out then) Roads are rammed .6 miles takes at least 1 hour and even during daytime 11 am / 2 pm very busy .Many people suggest cycling, but only want others to do it! DH cycles 3 miles in all weathers gets moaned at sporadically by motorists ! The problem with living on a small island !

NearlyGranny · 15/10/2019 10:04

YANBU. A halfway competent runner could get there on foot in that time!

Kazzyhoward · 15/10/2019 10:04

What is absolutely stupid is that we used to have the World's best and most integrated railway system until the politicians decided that cars/roads were the future and dismantled most of it with indecent haste.

It wasn't car drivers who scrapped thousands of miles of railways, it was politicians.

Kazzyhoward · 15/10/2019 10:06

The problem with living on a small island

Made worse by concentrating population and employment in even smaller parts of it rather than spreading it out.

Otherpeoplesteens · 15/10/2019 10:06

Most academics in the field of infrastructure would acknowledge that, for a first world country, the UK has piss-poor infrastructure full stop whether you're talking about transport, communications, utilities, education, healthcare or whatever. Road traffic congestion is widely recognised as a huge driver of the UK's terrible productivity, which impacts us all in our paychecks.

We're in Greater Manchester halfway between the A6 and A580, two pretty major routes into the city centre. The authorities decreed some time ago that the three-lane A580 should lose a third of its capacity to make way for a bus lane. This is fine, except that the 'express' buses using this route start in the back of beyond and at times when normal people want to get to work are already completely full by the time they reach the park and ride tucked under the M61/M60 junction. The set up is great if you can get on the bus in Leigh, not so great if you've already driven down from the sticks outside Chorley or Bolton or live within the M60.

We could take the train, I guess, but the local station has no parking, no bike lockers (just two - a whole TWO - bike hoops on the pavement outside), is accessed via nearly 50 steps (no lift etc) and is served by Northern Rail so for much of the last 18 months basically hasn't been served at all.

But not everyone commutes into the city centre either. Anyone not wanting to, or who for whatever reason wants to get from the A6 to the A580, has to use a vast network of narrow residential streets replete with parked cars, speed bumps, mini-roundabouts, schools, and so on. These rat-runs are carrying trunk road levels of traffic in places and are barely wide enough for two vehicles to pass at anything other than their widest points. Apart from masochists and the suicidal I cannot think of anyone who would willingly cycle along them, and when they do they create more bottlenecks. All it needs is one set of road works, or even a lane closure six miles away on the M60, and we get completely gridlocked assuming we're not already gridlocked at one of the mini-roundabouts of the type where if you want to turn right then you can wait ten minutes or more, holding up the rest of the straight-ahead traffic behind you because - get this - the mini-roundabout has been fitted with a choke point for "traffic calming."

To take DD to nursery (no bus service, naturally) is a two mile journey which involves driving two sides of a triangle. We can do it in seven minutes, but we have also given up and come home after an hour of sitting in stationary traffic.

One of the big problems, as a pp alludes, is junction designs and things which are no longer fit for purpose. To compound the problem, we are at a place where the borders of three local authorities meet, and none of them are willing to pay for works to improve their junctions to relieve another borough's congestion which is largely composed of through traffic from out of the area anyway!

INeedNewShoes · 15/10/2019 10:12

you could walk it in that time

Grin I'd love to see you try!

I used to walk to work in London. I marched at my fastest possible pace and could only manage 4 miles in 55 minutes.

I now live in the countryside in the SE. I would LOVE to be able to cycle DD to nursery but it is just not viable on these roads with this amount of traffic and people driving the way they do. Before DD my bike was my Plan A for transport - I used it for any journey under 5 miles (10 miles round trip). I was very happy doing this but I cannot use my bike as transport now because there is no provision to make it remotely safe to be out on the roads with a child. I know I'm not being PFB because in the 7 years I've lived here I have never seen a child on a bike on the roads.

TellItLikeItReallyIs · 15/10/2019 10:13

If you are in London, the traffic problem is made worse as a result of policy trying to force everyone onto public transport to pay for cross rail.

This has resulted in most back roads/short cuts being blocked off and the loss of many traffic lanes across the city to cycle super highways. There are lots of routes in London that even 5 years ago were easy to get around but now take ages. The closure of Tavistock Square east > west is a classic example. Old Street roundabout is another example of insane changes that just make for big unnecessary delays in places where the traffic used to free flow. Go back 10 years and 20 years and you can find far more examples.

It's counter productive environmentally because people who want to drive will still drive, they just take twice as long sitting in traffic.
engine idling.

London transport policy is a joke.

bigbluebus · 15/10/2019 10:19

I blame the traffic lights - they put them on virtually every roundabout around these parts. When the traffic lights break down, the motorists rejoice as the traffic runs a lot more smoothly - even on a major crossroads with no priority road markings.

ColaFreezePop · 15/10/2019 10:26

@LemonGingerCakes I've worked with people who have cycled 20 miles to work and 20 miles back.

One explained the first time he did it it took him 2 hours one way but he soon got it down to an hour both ways.

He actually lived about a mile from me and his journey was the same time or even faster than taking public transport.

KennDodd · 15/10/2019 10:31

Lots of people don't have an alternative
Agreed. But loads of people do have an alternative.

AnotherNightWatering · 15/10/2019 10:41

It's not just to do with roads and public transport. Another problem is that house prices mean people often live so far away from work. It costs so much to move, whether renting or buying, and it's often too expensive to live where jobs are.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 15/10/2019 10:43

Yes, but not everyone has a choice. We don't all live in areas with reliable, regular, affordable public transport.

I know. I'm one of them. I was looking at a bus to take me to the main train station for my area on a weekday around 4pm. There is one an hour and it cost about £4 and takes 25mins. Or I can drive there in about 7 minutes for pennies in fuel.

It would take me four plus hours to get to work by public transport (on the first train of the day) and even then I'd be two hours late!

Again, similar here. And it would cost a lot more too - same for you?

I commented because OP came across like the traffic was all down to other people and not a single thing to do with her. I think more people than currently do CAN make small changes to their lifestyle which will impact on them and others around them.

KUGA · 15/10/2019 11:01

YANBU.
The school run times are worse, I have started going out after and before them.
Save 20mins per day.

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