To ask why trans men aren't trying to compete in men's sport?

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All the arguments I've ever seen are about how trans women should be able to compete as women. But it never happens the other way around?

Because they would struggle!

Because biological women still have less muscle strength, a lower lung volume, different skeleton etc even if they are taking testosterone.

I don't know if there are any sports where being biologically female would be an advantage.

They wouldn't be able to be competitive so no point.

Because they will get their arse handed to them.

You’re asking a rhetorical question so unfortunately comes across as goady. I’m on your side btw but you’d be better off coming out clean with what you mean. No point in beating about the bush and just comes across as disingenuous.

Cockcrowfarm has already given a suitable explanation which you knew already

Yes I also wonder about this. I guess they want to be accepted as real men, but not in the sporting arena because they'd get smashed. Whereas trans women get to win .... Simples.

They wouldn’t qualify at high level so we’d probably never hear about it even if they did try.

The only competition transmen excel in is growing babies.

Try googling Patricio Manuel, Chris Mosier or Mack Beggs. If anything there are more transmen in male sport than transwomen in female sport.

Because they couldn't win?

SerenDippitty

Patricio Manuel (born 22 July 1985) is an American professional boxer. In 2018, he became the first transgender boxer in the history of the United States to have a professional fight. Manuel is a five-time USA female national amateur boxing champion. He fought his last fight as a woman in 2012 against Tiara Brown. His next bout was after he transitioned, where he took on Adan Ochoa in 2016, and won by unanimous decision. Manuel went on to make his professional debut in December 2018.

On December 8, 2018, Manuel climbed into the ring against Hugo Aguilar at the Fantasy Spring Resort Casino in Indio, California, and came out a winner.

Important to note re
Adan Ochoa - his first US fight, and only 18 so not an experienced or professional boxer.
Hugo Aguilar - again professional boxer seems to be stretching credulity some what - and if I understand his stats Hugo seems to be a human punch bag boxrec.com/en/proboxer/490128

These look like ‘vanity’ fights and to ‘prove’ transmen are all good and dandy in male boxing.

Nothing to see here folx - look over there.

If the rest of your ‘gotchas’ are as poor, I’m not wasting time doing your research.

You’ll need to provide the evidence.

There are trans men in sport, but they arent as media worthy as trans women.

Trans men literally weren't allowed to compete at the highest levels of a lot of sports because the testosterone HRT that they have to take was classed as doping until recently.

It was only about 4 years ago that the International Olympic Committee changed their doping rules to allow trans men to compete, a change that is usually credited to Chris Mosier who challenged the original rules so that he could compete.

Other sports committees have started to change their rules but it is a slow trickle down process.

Obviously, because the change is still so new there are not a huge number of trans male athletes who are at the peak of their ability enough to qualify for the highest levels (considering that they were never previously allowed to compete at such a high level) but in a few more years we may start to see more trans male athletes competing at the top of their disciplines.

That is not to say we dont already have some trans Male athletes competing at the top of their chosen field. As they are now allowed to train and compete at the highest levels they will now be able to go through the same training and competitions as cismale athletes and therefore earn the right to compete at the highest level.

There are but nobody cares because theyre not smashing world records or competing in any meaningful way

They do, they just don't usually go far enough to break records and win.

You genuinely don't know why transmen aren't trying to compete against men in sport?!

Come on...

Hubby had a trans man on his old football team. There was a LGBT team too and there were a few NB people who played for the Male team. I'm not sure whether they were born male. Some were.

How do you know that trans men aren't taking part in men's sports on a typical sports team?

Taking part in football? Park runs? Competing as men...

SerenDippitty

"If anything there are more transmen in male sport than transwomen in female sport."

You know that is not the case. Any sportsperson who has been through a male puberty - transmen have not - will have all the physiological advantages - larger heart and lungs, more muscle mass, less fat, stronger bones, more efficient cardiovascular system.
Mack Beggs competed against the girls in 2018, despite the fact that Mack was taking testosterone - therefore doping - in order to transition. Mack has not competed against the men in 2018/2019 due to having surgery.
Chris Mosier is possibly the only example of a transman competing at a decent level in men's sport.

I read about a transman who plays rugby. He has to play in the women's team as the men's won't allow it as they're concerned for his safety.
I do think that now there should be male female and transmale transfemale catagories.

"It was only about 4 years ago that the International Olympic Committee changed their doping rules to allow trans men to compete, a change that is usually credited to Chris Mosier"

It was largely the work of transwoman Joanna Harper, who sat on the IOC committee in November 2015, whose report was sadly highly influential in changing the IOC's stance on transgender athletes.
The Canadian transwoman Michelle Dumaresq, had won national Canadian championships in mountain biking from 2001 onwards.

It does happen.
Not as much as the other way around.

It's wrong in both cases IMHO and in the case of Chris mosier denies someone who is actually male a chance to represent their country, the same way MTF athletes also do on a regular basis

Well I wonder....

...because they have biologically female bodies and won't win anything.

Transwomen are disingenuous when they want to compete as women. They know flippin well that they have male bodies and a massive advantage. Rachel McKinnon for example. Yes live as a woman if you want to, but that does not extend to womens sport. We need transgender categories.

As for transmen, well I guess they are taking part. You wouldn't necessarily notice. However I doubt they'd bother at the top level because they'd never (generally) win anything - there are exceptions and sometimes eg in running a woman wins a race outright but it's not common.

I think we know why....

I ran a local 10k last weekend. As the first female runner came through (this according to my spectators in the crowd as I was far from the finish line at this point!) the MC corrected himself as the first female through was actually Male. They made the assumption that someone had switched their registration, swapped it with their husband/brother etc - which may or may not be true- but it just shows doesn't it? He was the 24th Male, but 1st female (according to the results)

I think the results have now been amnended but to me this is a clear demonstration of why biology trumps gender in sporting events.