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16 year old doing nothing

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Offtherails12 · 09/10/2019 14:20

Changed username as she knows I use MN.

I have a kinship arrangement over a family member and all 'parenting' is left to me.

My niece hasn't had it easy so it's a mixture of giving her some slack but also she's got some very bad habits. I.e. she's grown up surrounded by people that don't work and expect handouts. I've had her for less than a year. She's really lovely/polite and not rebellious - just not had the positive parental influence until now.

She essentially failed all of her GCSEs even tho I paid for tutors/attempted to encourage revision etc. She went to an outstanding secondary for five years which I know gave her lots of extra tutoring to attempt to get her up to standard but she's never cared.

She wanted to do an apprenticeship in a niche field but couldn't be bothered. I sent her numerous links for things similar/transferable skills but decided on college. She's now dropped out of college - she changed her course three times but 'its so shit' etc etc. Zero motivation. I know she went in for some of the time but other times I've been told she was skiving. She didn't tell me she quit but at the end of the day even if I was to force her to go/walk her to each class I know she wouldn't get good enough grades/motivation to actually do anything in that field to make it worth it.

She wants to go into work. She's had a part time job for a couple of years but jacked that in in the summer. I've given her a couple of months grace period as she pulled on my heart strings but enough is enough. This week she's been laying around the house doing next to nothing. She's apparently waiting on a call back from a job that she wants in a trendy restaurant. I've tried nagging at her, I've had countless conversations that poverty isn't fun and she should aspire to do something with her life.

I've helped her with her CV and every 30 minutes I'm asking how the job search is going. The last 6 weeks I've also cut giving her pocket money therefore if she wants to go out she needs to work to have money for bus fare etc. She seems happy just floating about.

I'm thinking of telling her from Monday she needs to be out of the house between 9-5 so either she goes back to college/starts volunteering/pounding the streets with CVs/goes to our great aunt's to help with chores/sits in the library applying for jobs.

I don't want to be too harsh on her as she's really gone through a lot. On the other hand she needs a kick up the arse.

What have parents done in similar situations?

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Teddybear45 · 09/10/2019 14:24

Do you give her an allowance? If so make it conditional on her going out. Switch off the wifi (or better take the router with you) if she’s just on her phone.

Grumpyperson · 09/10/2019 14:27

MN answer to everything: switch off the wifi.

Hopefully you'll get some more sensible advice OP but it makes a mockery of the idea that all 16-18 year olds are in education or training,

If she wants to work in a restaurant is there some sort of catering/front of house course she could do? For example: www.bcot.ac.uk/subject-areas/hospitality-and-catering/

Grumpyperson · 09/10/2019 14:27

PS phones use 4G as well as wifi so switching off the wifi does precisely nothing.

NearlyGranny · 09/10/2019 14:30

Hmm, but somebody's paying for her phone contract!

Offtherails12 · 09/10/2019 14:36

Her nan transfers her £20 PW therefore she's able to top her phone/able to get the bus to see her friends at the weekend. It's annoying as as I stopped giving her money her nan kindly started this arrangement.

In tempted to have a word with her nan, but as I don't know her number id have to drive over there and explain what im doing.

As I said in my post I don't want to be too harsh on her as she's a good kid. For what she's gone through I'm surprised she's not shooting up her eyes. She's also not had any boundaries her whole life so I have to pick my battles.

Instead of getting the money stopped I'm tempted to say that she has to pay £20 rent as she's no longer in education.

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Offtherails12 · 09/10/2019 14:41

@grumpyperson

The careers advisor has very wisely told her that the government won't do anything if she does leave education. She's also found a loop hole that if she goes in once a week for GCSE math and English it's classed as part-time study and she can work.

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Witchinaditch · 09/10/2019 14:46

I think making her be out the house is a good idea. Good luck OP it sounds really tough

InOtterNews · 09/10/2019 14:50

mmmh I can relate a little bit I guess.

I started skiving from college in my first year - partly because of college cutting the modules from my course that I was interested in/partly deep-seated knowledge that I wasn't doing the right course. My Mum found out and gave me the ultimatum that I either re-enroll (and she would support me) or I go and find a job (and not support me financially). So I did the latter.

I got a job - which was part of YTS scheme so minimal wage and one day a week at college. As soon as I was earning - even the little wage I was getting I paid my Mum a portion towards cost (think it was something like £20 a week when I earned £50). Basically I needed a kick up the bum and all of sudden I turned into an adult (paying for my own travel/making packed lunch/paying for my own social life - mobile phones weren't a thing back then)

Asking her every 30 mins about isn't going to help. Her understanding the consequences might. That includes a contribution to house if she isn't studying. If she wants to see friends - I assume she needs spending money beyond bus fare etc.

raspberryk · 09/10/2019 14:51

At her age my dad gave me 2 options, full time school or full time work. If youre not at school this is how much rent is and your allowance stops. I opted for work at 17.

Offtherails12 · 09/10/2019 15:30

I've given her the two options; education or full time work.

She does want to work but has zero motivation to actually get out and get one.

I've had a word with her nan this side and she's going to stop giving her money.

I've also changed the Netflix password but she seems happy enough watching day time TV.

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raspberryk · 09/10/2019 15:35

But what is her consequence? I was certain my dad wouldn't let me live there if I didn't pay board. In hindsight he wouldn't have kicked me out but at the time I had absolute faith he would deliver all consequences as he had always done up the that point. Also as the first person home I would have chores to do, eg the next step with the washing, or cook dinner, if it wasn't done no one was eating so I did it. Are you out working and coming home to a mess, nothing made for dinner etc and her expecting you to do her washing?

Offtherails12 · 09/10/2019 15:43

@raspberry

She's quite good at doing chores. This morning she's emptied and filled the dishwasher. She also sorts out the dogs. She also does the ironing as she enjoys it.

She's a great teen all in all.

Her consequence will be on a Friday night when she hints for money (as she doesn't get her transfer until Saturday) she won't be able to go out with her friends as she can't afford to.

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Offtherails12 · 09/10/2019 15:46

If it's still the same situation next week I'm going to have a word with her nan on the other side as she's quite reasonable and more than likely support my decision (and probably give her an earful for quitting college).

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InOtterNews · 09/10/2019 15:46

I think @rasberryk and I had a similar upbringing Smile I also had to do chores as part of earning my keep - especially when I was looking for work. Cleaning, laundry, cooking, etc.

It's good that her Nan has stopped giving money - hopefully it will help with her motivation.

raspberryk · 09/10/2019 16:19

Good news re the chores, nans on board and you obviously not handing her money for nothing...
Perhaps a reality check of the wages you are limited to without an education of some kind would give her a kick up the bum.
Get her to list out rent on a flat, council tax, all bills, food etc etc and show her she would have less disposable income than she gets from her nan. Then ask her what she will do when she wants to learn to drive and run a car, buy a house, move in with someone who won't subsidise her. Those wages have little progression.
Tell her from someone who left school before they completed their a levels meant that when they wanted to get out of a relationship they felt financially stuck. That further education with 2 young kids in tow to try and get a decent job in your 30's is like wading through treacle!

DoctorAllcome · 09/10/2019 16:31

Gotta find something that inspires her. It sounds to me like she is not liking the usual traditional careers or any office type jobs.

If she likes doing home stuff, what about becoming a posh nanny like at the Norland nanny school?

pinksmileysticker · 09/10/2019 18:24

Poor kid - get her into work now and she'll be slave to the system for the next 60 years, if she's lucky.
Give her time to work out what she wants to do - she's only 16!

Aprillygirl · 09/10/2019 19:10

Stop giving her money and make her life as boring as possible at home but don't chuck her onto the streets all day, that's just cruel.

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