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Critics of so called baby boomers

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Pixxie7 · 07/10/2019 23:25

What is wrong with you people comments like waspi women are grabby and baby boomers have all the wealth because they bought their houses for a few thousands. I started work at the age of 16 with a salary of £7 a week, worked all my life. Did not have access to pension contributions until I was 52. Paid nearly 50 years of national insurance, which was for my pension which is not a benefit but a right, only to have nearly £50,000 stolen by the government. Imagine how you would feel if this happened to you.
Not saying you have it easy but you have far more opportunities than we ever had.

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MintyMabel · 08/10/2019 21:53

The 2011 pensions act gave men 8 years to plan for pension changes. The Turner Commision recommended that pension changes should be given with 15 years notice. WASPI women were only given 5 years.

Yes. As I said. The only difference is the amount of time they had to plan.

That’s the only difference. Everyone has lost out on pension since the age was raised. Not just WASPI. So if they have been “ripped off” the so has every person after them who has seen a change in pension age. We still have to pay more out on private pensions to make up for it.

MintyMabel · 08/10/2019 21:55

DS has significantly better prospects than his grandad had.

So he should have. That’s the ideal of every generation, to do better than their parents. Your father will have had better prospects than his grandfather.

The current generation is the first not to be pretty much guaranteed that, as all previous generations.

OhTheRoses · 08/10/2019 22:19

To be fair MintyMabel my father's prospects were tremendously better than his father's and his mother's. He was sent to the UK. His parents were sent to a concentration camp and died there. I don't think many young people today know how lucky they are or what previous generations went through either materially or emotionally.

I hope my DS will do better than my DH. He has had a much better start in life.

DH's father was the one who left school at 15.

OhTheRoses · 08/10/2019 22:22

I disagree woth you too about pensions Minty. I had 7 years at home with the dc and started a 2nd career at 43, taking prof quals. I was made a director last year at 58. Would never have happened with a retirement age of 60. I am thrilled to have the option to work until 68 if I wish.

Wine half full.

Pixxie7 · 08/10/2019 22:46

Multi factual I was a single parent working for the nhs so money was very tight. Also was expecting to get my pension at 60. My kids always came first. Before anyone comment I worked in a go surgery so was eligible to join nhs pension until the 90s

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ChloeDecker · 08/10/2019 22:48

To all those saying every generation has it hard, you do know that for the first time, the younger generation will actually have it harder in monetary terms and facts show this will be the first generation to, on average, NOT do better than their predecessors? That’s not an opinion. That is fact. A very sad and depressing fact. Something all of us ‘oldies’ should be mindful of as the ones to have helped cause this.

Pixxie7 · 08/10/2019 22:55

Don’t presume everyone admired Maggie Thatcher or voted for her in my opinion she is completely responsible for the housing crisis with her right to buy scheme. Particularly when some people have become millionaires and managed to buy more than one. Similarly total agree about Boris.

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Pixxie7 · 08/10/2019 23:03

Unfortunately it doesn’t really matter how much equity one has at the end of the day moving is so expensive often with little difference in the cost of property. Also I am talking about thousands of women many living in poverty and no access to any other funds.

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Pixxie7 · 08/10/2019 23:06

You are missing the point yes private pension would have been an option but again it takes money some of our elderly can’t afford to eat.

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Pixxie7 · 08/10/2019 23:08

Male retirement age has increased by one year max 3 women has increased by 5 max 8.

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Pixxie7 · 08/10/2019 23:25

I think you will find that was child benefit which all families got regardless of income.

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Pixxie7 · 08/10/2019 23:31

That is patronising I was in fact a registered nurse have 2 degrees and a masters I just wasn’t in a profession that paid high salaries. But believe me I paid my fair share and devoted my entire working life caring for others.

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BubblesBuddy · 08/10/2019 23:41

My aunt was a nurse and she retired with a very good pension. She paid her contributions and was eligible way before 1990. You must have opted out.

BubblesBuddy · 08/10/2019 23:43

Also, you have the benefit of a longer life! The pensions of men and women have been made the same. Many didn’t have time to save but a £24,000 house all those years ago must be worth a bit now.

Pixxie7 · 08/10/2019 23:44

No I didn’t opt out go surgery’s were not eligible to join the nhs pension until the 90s as they are self employed.

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Pixxie7 · 08/10/2019 23:47

This isn’t about me but about the thousands of women born in the 1950s. Some may be wealthy but there are many more who weren’t.

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Pixxie7 · 09/10/2019 00:20

That’s absolute rubbish, yes house values have gone up but what about interest paid and your working on the basis the all waspi women have their own homes. Many have lost them also I presume that you will be happy to sell your home to pay for your retirement. Mind you the way things are going you may well have to. If a stand is not made now the government will continue to impose sanctions to the detriment of the less well off.

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ghostofharrenhal · 09/10/2019 00:25

OhTheRoses that puts so many things into perspective. Scapegoating particular sections of society can lead us to very dark places.

We should all be ashamed of this intergenerational sniping and be looking for ways to make life better for everyone. We can start by holding government to better account and encourage our young people to get out and vote.

Pixxie7 · 09/10/2019 00:26

I am talking about the 60s when crime against children was rare thankfully. Knife crime was practically non existent as was murder.

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ghostofharrenhal · 09/10/2019 00:34

I am talking about the 60s when crime against children was rare thankfully. Knife crime was practically non existent as was murder.

I am not sure this is true? Crimes against children are still relatively rare, which is why they hit the headlines. Interestingly, crime seems to have ramped up in the 60s.

"During the 1960s there was acceleration in recorded crime: it was the only decade in the century where crime doubled. Crime continued to rise according to this measure for much of the remainder of the 20th century, with an average of over one million crimes recorded each year in the 1960s, increasing to two million during the 1970s, and 3.5m in the 1980s."

www.parliament.uk/business/publications/research/olympic-britain/crime-and-defence/crimes-of-the-century/

ghostofharrenhal · 09/10/2019 00:37

Also what about all the terrible institutional abuse that went on against children in care homes and the dire treatment of unmarried mothers. Also teachers being able to beat kids etc?

Pixxie7 · 09/10/2019 00:38

Why is it a wind up it is fact.

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Pixxie7 · 09/10/2019 01:15

Ok let’s just let the government do what they like make everyone work until they drop, then sell their homes to pay for care in their old age. Then take what if any pensions they have away from them.
Perhaps if something affects you directly you might wake up to what is happening around you. None of this is any generation in general we have all had our crosses to bear. This is about not blindly allowing the government to take everything from you.

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Pixxie7 · 09/10/2019 01:46

I totally agree all of this went on but I was fortunate to have grown up in an area where their were a group of kids who could play together outside without having to worry.

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Pixxie7 · 09/10/2019 01:57

There are no words to say how terrible it was for not only those who were sent to concentration but their families as well. Anyone who went through this needs our love.

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