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To be annoyed when DS says "amn't" in conversation?

85 replies

SpeckledLog · 07/10/2019 12:47

I know the dictionary probably lists it as a word but when he says it in conversation it gives me the feeling of fingernails on chalk.
Is this a nationwide trend now that we just have to get used to?

OP posts:
suggestionsplease1 · 07/10/2019 13:40

My Scottish Granny used to use this. She would say "Amn't I lucky?' when I arrived at her door at the care home after she was in the grips of dementia.

MariusJosipovic · 07/10/2019 13:42

Yep outwith is mostly a Scottish word. My Outlook puts a squiggly red line under it every time and I just ignore it...

Amn't I sound exactly how it looks! Ah-ment-I sort of sound. Would be used like 'ah shite it's half 8, I'm going to be late for work, amn't I?'

WhatchaMaCalllit · 07/10/2019 13:43

In a sentence -

"Will you do your homework now?"
"I amn't going to do my homework now. I'm watching television now"

Makes perfect sense to me.

OhAlice · 07/10/2019 13:47

thought it was an irish thing too! i say it and i'm irish

Bellringer · 07/10/2019 13:48

Stafford/Cheshire 1960s. Is it in the dictionary?

milliefiori · 07/10/2019 13:49

I love it. So much more grammatically correct than 'aren't I?' Tell him to use it all the time so it spreads.
Likewise, Geordie 'yous' plural of you. So useful and gorgeous. And more English than y'all which is also useful.

Bilingualspingual · 07/10/2019 13:50

I wouldn’t use it in place of ‘I’m not’, I’d use it as a pp said in place of ‘aren’t I?’ Pronounced ‘AM-ent’. Didn’t realise it was odd at all til moved down here. And no, never heard ‘outwith’ outwith of Scotland!

Shayisgreat · 07/10/2019 13:51

It's used all of the time in Ireland too.

I think it's because of the way Irish and Gaelic translate into English that it's more prevalent in Ireland and Scotland.

YouCantBeSirius · 07/10/2019 14:00

I say amn't, outwith and the big light Grin I'm from the Glasgow area

thecatsthecats · 07/10/2019 14:13

I'm Cumbrian, and I like outwith. Use it a fair bit in my writing, cause it feels all fancy.

I like using 'amn't' in a colloquial way also, e.g., "either you am or you amn't".

It's more correct that 'couldn'tve', which you see regularly on here.

PuppyMonkey · 07/10/2019 14:21

Only ever heard my late dad say this. I used to like it. He was from Armagh in Northern Ireland.

GettingABitDesperateNow · 07/10/2019 14:34

Everyone says it in west Scotland

ArsenicGreen · 07/10/2019 14:37

Surely it is a perfectly correct contraction? I rarely, if ever use outwith, but of course understand what it means!

Auntyfannybaws · 07/10/2019 14:38

Always use it (Glasgow). Also 'how' for why. Drives Irish DH nuts.

PralineCookie · 07/10/2019 14:39

Everyone says it in west Scotland

I don't and I practically never hear it either.

NearlyGranny · 07/10/2019 14:41

It's Irish usage, I say it v.occasionally, more for fun, but it's every bit as accurate as isn't and aren't, when you think about it. It's not like ain't or we was, is it?

Try looking at it as quaint and idiosyncratic when he says it.

UndomesticHousewife · 07/10/2019 14:52

I don't know how this is even said let alone what it means or how to use it in a sentence. And I'm from London.

CreamJug · 07/10/2019 14:59

Widespread in Ireland in casual speech. Pronounced ‘AMMent’. And yes, used exactly as a more “correct” idiom would use ‘aren’t I’ or ‘I’m not.’

‘But I’m supposed to take early lunch today, amn’t I?’
‘I’m gorgeous in this dress, amn’t I?’
‘You’re seven, aren’t you?’ ‘No, I amn’t.’
‘Amn’t I stupid for forgetting to buy kiwi fruit?’

AppropriateAdult · 07/10/2019 15:15

It's perfectly correct. Whereas "aren't I" makes no sense (if you didn't use the contraction you would say "Am I not?", not "Are I not?").

Used the other way around, it's just a different way of contracting "I am not" - where most people might say "I'm not", many in Ireland and Scotland would use "I amn't". Although in Ireland at least it would be a thing kids would tend to say, rather than adults. But it's still grammatical.

thefairyfellersmasterstroke · 07/10/2019 15:21

SE Scotland here, and I use "Amn't I?" and "I amn't" all the time, but don't hear it so much from others. When I was wee it was the "posh" version, reserved for speaking to your parents or the teacher. But amongst ourselves, we said, "A umnae". I still say that sometimes as it really winds up the DC!

Sron · 07/10/2019 15:24

Yes, I used it all the time in Ireland as a child, but the nuns might have beaten it out of me. I like it. It has way more punch than the meek ‘I’m not’.

‘You’re an awful eejit.’
‘No, I AMN’T!’

CheeryB · 07/10/2019 15:27

North Yorkshire and I grew up using amn't I? Way, way before the internet as well

Drogosnextwife · 07/10/2019 15:28

Yup Scotland here too and it's rife where we live, especially with children. Actually I hear younger children say it a lot more than teenagers.

owlonabike · 07/10/2019 15:31

OP, is your DS from Kirkintilloch?

owlonabike · 07/10/2019 15:37

DH tried to work “outwith” into every piece of technical writing he produced. It was usually deleted by his English bosses (he’s Scottish). Our half Scottish DS is on a stealth mission to introduce the word to Londoners (he lives down there).