Jeremy Corbyn and DD

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I am so worried about what will happen if Labour get in and implement their stated policy on closing down independent schools. It is literally keeping me awake at night worrying about what might happen to DD.

DD is in her 30s, just split from her OH and works as a teacher and housemistress at an independent school. If it is taken over by the state, she stands to lose her home (she lives in the boarding house) and possibly her job. Her school has tiny classes and a state school would need far fewer teachers for the bigger class sizes.

Of course she could come and live in our spare room if necessary, but hardly desirable for someone who has lived away from home for years.

Please tell me I am silly to be so worried!

I would look into organising a demonstration to save the right to a private school education, OP. Imagine the scandal if the independent school teachers had to teach the same children in a state school!

What I am saying is that all of the children in our area, except the few that go private, go to one of these two schools. And broadly, the poor children go to the high school- the better off ones go to the grammar.

A spoof or a poorly crafted story to stir up class hatred?

If it did happen (it won’t) she’d have to get another job and find somewhere else to live just like anybody else would surely!!

Drugs are illegal tho

And under the new regime, independent schools would be illegal too.

I was simply pointing out the irrelevance of the "it's my money, I should be able to spend it however I please" argument.

Sorry @Cushionsarecomfie I forgot to tag you in my reply- here it is again. What I am saying is that all of the children in our area, except the few that go private, go to one of these two schools. And broadly, the poor children go to the high school- the better off ones go to the grammar.

It won't happen! Corbyn and others may be idealistically opposed to independent schools - there have been prime ministers in the past who are opposed to various things - but changes have to be made based on what people want and a lot of people don't want to close independent schools.

Stop worrying.

Not sure how possibly"ending their charitable status" equals confiscation but, hey ho, it passes the time for op until they clock off from their bot farm.

Not sure how possibly"ending their charitable status" equals confiscation but, hey ho, it passes the time for op until they clock off from their bot farm.

Why are you not telling the truth about Labour’s policies? Here they are:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49786645

Labour party members have voted to commit the party to integrate private schools into the state sector.

The motion calls for funds and properties held by private schools to be "redistributed democratically and fairly" to other schools.

There you go - outright confiscation. Care to admit you’re talking nonsense?

Yes that is what I thought you meant. And my point is where does it stop? Where do we draw the line? For example, an argument could go: You have a better house than me and we all know better housing means better mental health so if you spend money on your house to improve your mental health but I can’t then we should make it illegal.....

No, there can’t be a thought process about how to bring the base line up, its ‘you have something I don’t have and I don’t like it and everything you create or you do has to be shared with me’ ....or communism.

So let’s just be straightforward and call a spade a spade.

@cushionsarecomfie- no thoughts on the meritocracy of grammar schools then?

It’s a badly worded motion which will give policy writers a lot of leeway.

It won’t happen like that. Likelihood is they’ll just loose their charitable status (a good thing if you ask me)

I am so worried about what will happen if Labour get in

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You have nothing to worry about as that’s not going to happen. The Woolley Mammoth Society have more chance of getting elected than labour.

Anyway I'm a bit confused. How does abolishing private schools improve state schools?

By the people with money and influence suddenly caring if state schools are any good. If you think a single Tory MP who has presided over 8% per-pupil funding cuts gives a monkey's about state education then you are sadly mistaken.

An awful lot of independent schools offer bursaries, scholarships, etc so that pupils from less well off backgrounds can attend.
I dare say that in the event of them losing their charitable status they may no longer wish to offer help with fees.

My DD was a boarder and there is no way we could have afforded the fees without the bursary offered.

Yes of course it would be nice for every child to have similar opportunities but getting rid of independents is not the answer.

CendrillonSings. You've been told numerous times that this conference motion is just a vague statement. It will need lots of refining (watering down) from policy wonks into something realistic, which is likely something to do with charitable status. Even John McDonnell has said it's not viable in it's current form.

Anyone who genuinely thinks Labour are going to turn Eton into state comp needs their heads examined.

An awful lot of independent schools offer bursaries, scholarships, etc so that pupils from less well off backgrounds can attend.

They do the bare minimum so they can claim charitable status. What percentage of the population, do you think, send their children to private school when they have a genuinely low income? Maybe 1% if that? Please don't pretend that it's significant (although obviously it is to you personally).

You've been told numerous times that this conference motion is just a vague statement.

Oh, I’ve been told, have I? Well unless you’re actually Jeremy Corbyn or his laughable excuse for a Shadow Education secretary, I’ll take their public statements and the actual motion adopted at conference over your assertions, thanks.

There are 32k schools in the UK over 650 constituencies. That’s almost 50 per constituency. Say half of them were grammers, or a quarter, the same principles would apply. More would go from whatever social standing...

If a Labour government is elected and if educational policy changes it will not happen in the sudden and complete way you are describing. The administration of schools will change, charitable status and tax advantages for private schools will end but they will not suddenly close with teachers thrown out of jobs. Your daughter's employment conditions may change. Some people on here are terrified of losing their priviledge but we need a system that provides the best education for the greatest number

Won’t happen.

Won’t even register on a list of things for me to think about when deciding who to vote for.

I haven’t RTFT but am a state primary teacher, and we had a conversation about this in the staff room earlier this week.

Wouldn’t an effect of this be massive house price inequality, because all of those who previously privately educated their children move house to be in the catchment for the more desirable state schools? This would then push up prices even more around those schools and essentially create a two tier system where some schools benefitted from a very supportive and wealthy PTA and others didn’t?

I mean I could be wrong, I’m only a lowly primary teacher.....

Unbelievable