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Finding screen ban so hard - AIBU?

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SinkGirl · 26/09/2019 07:33

We have three year old twins who are both autistic, non verbal, one has other disabilities as well. I have been doing my best in difficult circumstances since they were born (DT2 was very unwell from birth and my health has been impacted since the pregnancy too).

I’ve definitely relied too much on CBeebies to keep them entertained, especially DT2 who lost all interest in toys / play when he was 18 months old and has no ability to focus on anything except the TV. DT1 is very bright and uses iPad maths and English games often (things like matching colours and shapes, sorting letters into words, words into sentences, etc).

I have done everything I can for them - referred ourselves to SALT and portage, carried on that work at home daily, pushed for paeds referrals that led to them both being diagnosed at 2, applied for DLA, blue badges, got them into nursery, initiated the EHCP process when nursery didn’t bother, applied for homestart etc etc. Just quit my very part time job as I’m not able to manage it on top of everything else.

DH has been reading a lot of pseudoscience websites about “virtual autism” and thinks that if we completely cut out screens for them they’ll learn to talk and improve their social skills. I think that’s a massive over simplification and although I do agree that less screen time would benefit them, it seems a bit extreme and a bit mean to remove the only thing that DT2 in particular engages with. I understand the hope is that he will then engage with toys and with us but I’m unsure how realistic that is.

It’s been two days and I’m slowly going mad. Over the last two days I’ve read the three books they like over 50 times. I’ve sung the nursery rhymes they like countless times. I’ve tried every age appropriate game in a book of games for autistic kids. They’re interested in none. I’ve tried colouring with crayons (tried to eat the crayons), tried playdoh (tried to eat the playdoh). Spent half an hour on the swings in the garden multiple times whenever it’s not raining. Tried everything I can think of, it fails quickly and then we do... nothing.

DT1 is playing with an old baby walker where you press a button and it lights up and plays a tune. Over and over again. Can’t see how this is better for him than playing the games on the iPad to be honest!

I woke up this morning dreading the day ahead. Then realised they’re going to nursery this morning and felt relieved, which makes me feel terrible.

Everyone I know who’s done this has kids who will engage in pretend play, could get involved in baking a cake or go on a trip to the shops etc, none of which is possible with my two. So WTF do we actually do all day?

To be honest they’re coping better with it than I am! We’ve had a few tantrums but nothing out of the ordinary. DT2 has recently started pointing so we’ve had some pointing at the TV, and DT1 keeps pushing me over to the shelf where the remote is.

I feel like such a shitty parent for being at the stage where I can’t cope with a day with my kids without relying on the TV. Just the lack of background noise is driving me crackers.

How many people with toddlers have no screens at all and how do you cope? I realise any suggestions may not work for us because of the ASD but maybe people have some idea.

OP posts:
dementedpixie · 26/09/2019 07:39

I gather your dh is not around when all screens are off and you are the sole entertainment? It's nice of him to suggest it when it is you that is in effect being punished for implementing it. Be kind to yourself and switch them back on even if its for shorter periods of time. Screens can be educational too rather than just for entertainment

LionelRitchieStoleMyNotebook · 26/09/2019 07:39

DT1 - can you rollover the things he lives to do? Sorting shapes and colours, games with words and letters, using blocks, toys etc? Simple puzzles might appeal or duplo type construction. You don't say much about what DT2 likes to do

Absoluteunit · 26/09/2019 07:41

Mine is 5 so older with ASD but I get it. She does play a bit now but didn't at all at that age. She wasn't interested in a tablet either but did watch too much TV.

I'm not sure what the answer to this is but I personally don't think screens are bad in moderation. I don't think it's a one size fits all for our kiddos.

Following with interest

Iggly · 26/09/2019 07:45

Lots of hands on messy play. My ds at 3 didn’t really do pretend world full on imaginative play at that age.

It was messy but he loved it. He had a digging area in the garden, loads of water and mud. Sand pit etc. Even in the winter we were outside. I went to the park every day and we’d go digging for stones which he would throw in the river. That could go on for hours 😂 even now, age nearly 10, he likes the outdoors (although loves screens too).

I had to direct my kids play at 3 - they just didn’t get on and do it.

Kittenbittenmitten · 26/09/2019 07:46

My child is NT. DH and I are a bit on the crunchy side. We decided we didn't want our PFB watching any TV because it's evil
Fast forward to three years later and my being pregnant with the next one, we are enthusiastic users of the CBeebies baby sitting service. No it's probably not good if it's the only thing they do but DC often gets bored and does something else anyway. After nursery I think it's good to have that chill out time.

Don't go insane put the fucking TV on.

Walkacrossthesand · 26/09/2019 07:46

I agree with dementedpixie - this was DHs idea, you've given it a go but you don't think it's sustainable - maybe he can have sole charge this weekend to see if he agrees?

Kittenbittenmitten · 26/09/2019 07:48

Also try to be wholesome and active in the morning, then TV on after lunch and you won't feel nearly so guilty.

Iggly · 26/09/2019 07:49

I’ll add - I didn’t let my eldest watch any tv before 2 and minimised it until my youngest was 2.

It was really hard I won’t lie and the house did get messy as I let them play at the sink, in giant tubs of porridge etc etc.

intermittentfasting · 26/09/2019 07:50

Well this weekend be sure you're not available all weekend so DH can entertain them both with no screens for 2 days running.

BeanBag7 · 26/09/2019 07:51

It's all very well for your husband to suggest this, but he isn't the one who actually has to deal with it!
Perhaps you could just work on cutting down screen time rather than cutting it out completely.

Quartz2208 · 26/09/2019 07:52

Yes I think it’s all about balance

shellysheridan · 26/09/2019 07:52

Seriously, put the tv on.
Use the iPad.

Iggly · 26/09/2019 07:54

How much screen time did they have exactly?

Kittenbittenmitten · 26/09/2019 07:54

Sorry pps. You'll often find that men have lofty ideals of how their children should be raised when they're not doing it the majority of the time.

Jesse70 · 26/09/2019 07:56

Slow down
It's what they are used to! iPads don't make bad parents they are great learning tools
Why don't u start with baby steps and cut the iPad out for like an hour a day and go to the park or a walk or go and jump in muddy puddles
Then slowly increase the time
I don't think there is anything bad about letting kids watch iPads as long as they are not babysat by them my two year old gets hers when ever she asks for it and honestly she has learned a lot from it she had better verbal skills than the other kids her age who we know
Although she is very sociable and we play all the time and chat and learn
Have a look at what they watch and see if u can recreate that as they might find it more engaging

Bobbyflay · 26/09/2019 07:58

You can guarantee that by 10am on Saturday, the OPs husband will say that as the OP has tried no screens all week, it’s obviously not working so the twins should use screens again.

BarbariansMum · 26/09/2019 07:58

How well do they cope with you limiting screen time? If the answer is "not very" then do think carefully about how you reintroduce it or you might be back to where you were. Think about when you /they really need that hour's break, then keep it to the same time every day and how you signal that (if they are not doing clocks yet).

In terms of other things to do, you could try putting music on, messy play outside, building blocks, or just a big cardboard box in the living room to climb in and out of. Do either like toy cars or trains? Or sit back and let them find things that they like to do.

randomusername · 26/09/2019 08:00

I think it's difficult to just stop when small children are already used to it. Especially with 2 autistic non-verbal preschoolers.
I would suggest instead of going cold turkey, limiting it and gradually reducing it.

SinkGirl · 26/09/2019 08:00

Sorry, I should have been clearer - DH works from home and has mostly been working evenings instead of during the day this week, so he has been downstairs for the whole of the last two days and getting involved as much as he can. If I were alone at home I suspect I would have caved after an hour Blush

We did have a bit of a row yesterday where I said he doesn’t get to unilaterally decide how we raise our kids, but at the same time I do appreciate the fact that he’s not just leaving me to it. And I get that we have to try things like this - doesn’t make it any easier sadly!

He will most definitely be taking them to the park on Saturday by himself, I can say that for sure!

They don’t like being messy so messy play is out - I tried messy play with foods (cereal, dried pasta)... they ate it.

It’s just a bit of a shock to the system how much more exhausting parenting is without the TV to lend a hand. Makes me feel awful!

I would not advocate this under normal circumstances, I can tell you that!

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randomusername · 26/09/2019 08:03

You could read short stories, sensory ones such as 'that's not my...' would be good, perhaps help with play to begin with/start them off, begin building towers, puzzles suited to their ability, instruments, soft balls, shape sorters. All things younger children like to play with before they get into imaginative play.

Ponoka7 · 26/09/2019 08:05

There wasn't the availability of screens when my now 22 year old DD, with LDs/Autism and S&L issues was a toddler.

As soon as the opportunity to use screens/Nintendo DS/Laptops etc became available, she flurished.

We watched wildlife and history documentaries. She had a way of blocking off the world when she needed to. Later she had a friendship group online, she still does.

She worked her way up to being on a vocational mainstream college course and now works part time. She has RL friends, but the online community is still important to her. Having online friends led to her wanting physical friends.

I don't agree with him that children with SN develop play skills if no screens are available. Look up older research on children with SN, born before screens and the way that technology can be a vital part of life for children with SN.

Later on we added in exercise on the Wii. When we went to her physio etc appointments, we were already doing what they recommended by gaming.

I'd do what you need to to get through, unless there's evidence that it's doing harm.

Physical stuff can happen later.

Iggly · 26/09/2019 08:07

Messy play doesn’t have to be “messy” - it could be free play. Mine were better at free play outside than inside for some reason. They’d happily romp around in the park picking leaves etc than being in the house.

Ponoka7 · 26/09/2019 08:07

Having said what i did, i got out the house as much as possible.

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