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about DS friends behaviour?

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4everhopeful · 26/09/2019 04:01

Sorry this has ended up long. Didn't want to dripfeed. Probably way too much detail. DS just started yr 2, since Yr 1 has had one particularly overpowering friend. This friend started in reception, DS been there since nursery and pretty well rounded easy going and popular boy, played with everyone, prior to yr 1, (2 yrs in nursery and reception) had 2 real best friends he played with all the time, one he'd known since birth, as they're older siblings in yr 5 who are also good friends in same class, and I'm also good friends with both parents, so lots of play dates out of school.

When overpowering friend started in reception DS often complained several times he was annoying, and on occasion of a birthday party I'd invited the whole class, DS kept saying but I don't want that boy to come. I encouraged DS that wouldn't be kind and he was invited anyway. Bit of backstory.

So in yr 1, suddenly this boy and DS were inseparable. Other friends no longer played with. Bit sad, but fair enough, friendships evolve, I really don't interfere in my kids friendships as well aware playground conflicts resolve themselves and kids are fickle! I try and guide, listen and support, obviously encourage kindness and good behaviour. DS and new friend had couple of incidents of being a bit cheeky and naughty at beginning of this friendship and were disciplined by the school (minor stuff, put on thinking chair). Got friendly with his mum and discussed these issues. Boys will be boys type behaviour. Initially as DS is very tall for his age, and other boy is very tiny, they look a very funny pair walking round holding hands! I think concerns were that my DS may have been the influencer in cheeky behavior etc. (Certainly by his mum). DS prior to this was a pretty good compliant kid so not the case as confirmed by the school.

Following chats I had with DS regarding behaviour it turned out this boy 'wouldn't allow DS to play with anyone else'. I said what about other best friends? 'No new friend will tell me off, I can play with them if he's not there though'. I tried telling him this isn't OK, he can play with who he wants. DS didn't want to upset friend. Then an incident occurred where DS apparently hit friend and was disciplined by school I was mortified and text mum to apologise. Asked DS to explain himself, he said boy was being mean and wouldn't let him play with a toy and kept throwing it away. I disciplined DS with a telling off, how unacceptable to hit, no tablet that evening. Friends mum didn't respond to text. Next day said was so upset couldn't reply to tx, i told DS to apologise to friend in front of mum, friend said my mum says you're a bully. DS looked rather hurt and shocked and apologised profusely. Mum and I spoke after drop off, she was in tears, worried for her 'tiny precious boy', I absolutely assured her it was not in DS nature, certainly no bullying issues. I was a bit hurt and annoyed by that. I assured her DS very sensitive, gentle, chilled and tolerant. My DD has mild ASD, so he's used to meltdowns, and a real kind and accepting soul, he can be a typical excitable boisterous boy, but not a mean bone in his body. His huge height, being the biggest in the class, to an outsider, I worried, gave that perception, but he's the ultimate gentle giant. Luckily the school were 100% aware and in agreement on this.

The friendship continued, and as inseperable as ever. DS kept complaining of a sore willy. I was on verge of going to the GP when he told DH and I that Friend often hit him in his willy. I said what do you do/say? DS said nothing, he's just playing being silly. I said does he hit/hurt you anywhere else? Turns out he was often very rough. DS accepted this as playing and didn't want to upset boy or get him in trouble! We raised it with teacher who brought mum in. Assured would not happen again. Mum a bit dismissive, oh I think all the boys do it to each other. I explained DS actually sometimes crying in pain when weeing it was so sore. Explained to DS, DON'T allow this to happen. Say No, you are hurting me. Tell a teacher immediately. Had to keep reiterating this. As if DS more worried about upsetting friend than being hurt.

Obviously from this alarm bells were ringing, and had many discussions with DS trying to encourage play with other friends, but DS continuing to play with this boy and saying he still 'wasn't allowed to play with anyone else'. Kept trying to say this is not OK, he's not in control of you. Make your own decisions. Discussed with school who kept them in separate groups in school environment sitting apart etc, but any playtime or free activity, and after school still together. After the willy hitting incident I kept mum at arms length a bit, though still friendly, but didn't raise other concerns that basically her son was being very controlling and overpowering, as it emerged the friend is being assessed for possibly ASD/ADHD. It would explain the boundary issues. Perhaps also DS ridiculous tolerance to being treated so badly, as he's used to accepting our poor DDs sometimes highly irrational emotional and angry outbursts when having her ASD meltdowns. DS did say the physical roughness had stopped with friend, I tried not to over stress and DH and I agreed that DS was eventually going to detach a bit, and this would evolve hopefully. They had a few playdates. And on observation at home DS did hold his own, which made me feel better, though some play was still a bit too rough. However through the holidays friend started wassapping and video calling on his mum and my phone, initially fairly sweet, it became constant. The voice messages were slightly disturbing. 'DS name I love you! I love you so much' Blowing kisses, continually repeating his name, telling him how much he loves him, telling him to reply and answer. Getting quite annoyed when no response. Its been continuous. Annoyingly so when I'm on the phone or out! DS participates and initially enjoyed novelty of being allowed my phone but also getting annoyed. 'Friend can I go now please?' 'But I don't want to send any more messages' Friends continual pledge of love also slightly disturbing me. I asked DS does he kiss you then? Apparently alot. DS has asked if he will be able to marry Friend. Friend has used words sexy and crush apparently. They are 6 ffs! I really don't know what his mums take is on all this. The boy is her only child, I get the feeling a poss struggle to have, maybe ivf, as soooo super precious on a pedastal to her. Very over protective can do no wrong. I totally get the precious element, our 2 are to us, I had several miscarriages, which is why I sense a similar case from her. But having 2, and an older DD I've dropped the precious perfection element myself a bit! The blinkers are off and I accept kids can be naughty, not perfect, need discipline and guidance, for their own good.

Anyway huge elaboration. But for me today the shit has really hit the fan, as perplexed as I've been, and for all the conversations I've had with DS about standing up for himself, and acceptable behaviour from friends, I've reluctantly sat back. Today a friend collected DS while I spoke to DDs teacher. DS teacher said apparently the boy sat on DS today and has been given a detention tomorrow. DS told me they were playing at lunch, argued over a game, and boy tried to punch DS twice which he dodged. Boy then smashed DS head down onto a fence. DS has big lump and bruise on forehead. DS then chased boy but boy got DS on ropes and sat on his face. I'm absolutely furious. This boy is so rough, has no boundaries. DS admitted he is scared of him. DS is literally twice his bloody size. He's a controlling little bully. We're going to ask for a meeting with his teacher and head of year tomorrow. It was discussed with his yr 1 teacher last year but I'm now actually quite disturbed. I'm worried it's going to affect DS long term, his self esteem, I'm worried he's going to just accept being a doormat. That it's OK to be hurt, effectively abused, and not speak up. I'm worried he's questioning his sexuality. He's asked lots of questions that are disturbing for a 6yr old.

I'm so sorry this is so long. I've tried to ride this out and not overreact.

I need a discussion with the mum but I don't know where to start? I'm worried she'll be immediately defensive and dismissive. I want to find a solution. They have nearly 5 more years of primary school together...?

I've been awake since 2am going over this all. Putting it out there for some perspective?

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4everhopeful · 26/09/2019 22:48

Crosspost @Tamalpais that's how long ago I started my post.. 🙈 I'm so sorry to hear what you went through with your DC, and also so sorry to other pp who have similar stories. The overpowering controlling relationships are even harder than straight bullying as the conflict of emotion involved for the DC, not understanding they are actually being mistreated. The hardest thing to resolve. Very sad to hear of yours, and PPs DCs ending up moving schools.. 😔

Your first line re lunch struck a massive chord, as DS also just said, maybe I could just stay in at lunchtime instead? Made me want to cry. 😢

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Blondebakingmumma · 27/09/2019 03:12

OP your last post is so sad! Please stop all play dates outside of school time. Can you talk to the staff and ask the teacher to have a special ‘job’ for your son to do during lunchtime for a couple of days to give him a break from the other boy?

Is there any way that you can organize for your son to play with his original friend with during lunchtime. Organize ahead of time and ask teachers to intervene if the boy tries to get your son to leave his friend?

MsTSwift · 27/09/2019 06:30

Be prepared for squawking from the other mother if your son does start extricating himself. They may try to paint him as the bad guy for “leaving out” the other child. That’s what happened to my lovely niece when she finally pushed back.

HappyBumbleBee · 27/09/2019 11:37

@4everhopeful I want to almost jump for joy at your last update - which is just weird because we don't know each other lol - but I felt that sigh of relief.... You soon has opened up and taken an extremely hard step he was obviously struggling with and YOU are supporting him perfectly!
You are also right in what you said to your son - by the school knowing absolutely everything they will be able to help this other lad too.
You keep doing what you're doing with your son. Don't take any heed if the other mum starts broaching it with you and certainly don't worry about it. Your priority is your son and he sounds like such a lovely fella - he's lucky to have you xxx

Sewrainbow · 27/09/2019 12:24

I just wanted to add there is light at the end of the tunnel. My ds was exactly as you're describing you son, it was him saying g he didn't want to go to school that took me in to school and I phrased everything in the light of I want to help my ds deal with rather than the all guns blazing "keep that boy away from my son!". The other child was saying things like I'm watching you, or my uncle/brother will get you, if you dont play.... type stuff. A real eye opener to me at that time, that boys are just as manipulative and able to bully emotionally like the girls I'd experienced at school. Sad

But this was infant school, my ds is now beginning year6, he has just been made school captain and is a happy, confident, kind and considerate boy. His last teacher praised his leadership qualities and I think the attitude he and your boy have is good to encourage in future generations. He and the boy have matured a lot and whilst they'll never be best friends the distance has benefitted them both and they'll play the odd game of football together at school.

Take heart, you're doing the right thing and being supportive to your son and schools actions is the best thing you can do for both children Flowers

Tamalpais · 27/09/2019 13:45

Hey OP, moving schools (in retrospect) turned out to be amazing for entirely different reasons (also moved house, so wasn't entirely because of the other child!). Glad you updated and glad you got to have a chat with your son.

Best thing for him is to know other adults are on his side. I wouldn't put it past this other boy to have bossily told your son that his mum would be mad if your DS didn't play with him. And the stage would be set because you had already made your DS apologize to the mum/child. This is pretty similar to what I made my child do before I realized what Other Mum was like. So I'm not at all pointing a finger of blame - because I reacted exactly like you did before I saw the big picture.

My child also wanted to play with this other child - there were genuine sparks of friendship but the other child just...constantly...took...advantage... and was enabled by their mother. So cue a lot of self-esteem building, and how healthy friendships look, and role playing with my child. I'm still glad circumstances separated them because I'm not sure what it would have turned into with my kid always being the doormat and the non-golden child. I prefer to avoid confrontation myself and so it was tough for me when the shit eventually hit the fan but I held firm and set clear boundaries. I really don't want to give away any identifying details but the end of the story is that the children actually stayed in touch, in the end, despite the school move. But it's a very arm's length relationship because I keep it that way, contact is limited and most importantly my kid knows a) I have their back and b) how this other child can get. Also they are quite a bit older which helps too (secondary age).

So part of it is breaking up the usual routine. Part of it is dealing with another mother who permissively parents and blames others. And part of it is building your son's network that he can turn to - as well as his self-esteem to speak out and not take the blame when the other child does something to him/something wrong. And yes, yet another part is taking care of yourself and protecting you both if/when this other mother comes trotting along spouting "bully" lies.

Wishing you the best.

ichifanny · 27/09/2019 14:10

I try not to intervene in my kids friendships but it sounds like this has gone on long enough and there is a toxic dynamic at play , I’d ask school to keep them away from each other , he’s injuring your sons genitals ffs . I’d go through school though and don’t approach the mother as she will be on the defence from the off .
You sound like you have been parenting so well and now is time to show your son that he can put up boundaries with inappropriate people .

4everhopeful · 29/09/2019 14:18

I was going to come back and thank everyone for being so lovely and supportive, such good advice and kind words. Really heartwarming and humbling that strangers will take time and interest in each others problems! ❤️

However there's been another update and I'm now in a dilemma. The other boys mum sent me a wasapp message last night apologising for all her sons messages saying she wasn't aware he'd been doing it.. Hmm He has continued sending the daily messages which I ignore. Silly pics, emojis, and the standard DS name I love you.. See you at school.. Ect.

How she's not spotted them all I don't know? Hmm

I didn't reply yesterday. DH thinks I don't respond at all. Thinks school must of said something about the messaging to prompt her contacting me. He thinks any response could escalate it and make it worse.

I am not so sure whether to:

A: Not respond.

Respond with brief acknowledgement and state it had indeed been a bit out of control and inappropriate, referencing the love proclamations.

As above and reference the hitting incident this week.

As above and also discuss in a non accusatory way as possible, the whole controlling element, not allowing to play with others, telling off, and very rough play which my DS is accepting as not wanting to get her son in trouble.

If anyone's still got any input I would appreciate it please? Confused

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fernandoanddenise · 29/09/2019 14:26

Do NOT respond. Disengage from the mum completely. If she corners you fade to face say calmly - I think we should let the school deal with it. Smile and be pleasant but neither of you are able to be dispassionate about this.
Plus some of the stuff tge boy is doing has probably raised safeguarding concerns at school - it should have anyway- so the school won’t thank you for raising the stakes with the mum.
Help your son with his self esteem and self worth so that he is equipped to say no to this boy. That’s all you can do - other than keep the school informed and obvs no more play dates. I feel for you it sounds a v hard situation for such little kids.

GinLimeandLemonade · 29/09/2019 14:40

I wouldn't respond at all. And I'd block her too.

ImGenderfree · 29/09/2019 14:44

I’ve been contacted in a similar way by parents when there had been incidents at school. I didn’t want to inflame the situation so I responded with something bland and reiterated that I supported the schools approach. I let the school know that I had been contacted and what I had responded. Do not get into any discussion about it being inappropriate or any other issues that have arisen. Brief acknowledgement and that is it.

Also take away any means that this other child has to contact your child outside of school.

ichifanny · 29/09/2019 20:34

I’d maybe respond with something bland like a pp has stated and state you think it’s best to ket school deal with it as they are qualified in dealing with kids and relationships with each other . Tells her you don’t want to get into it over messager but also means it won’t be awkward if you see her .

HappyBumbleBee · 01/10/2019 02:40

Hey @4everhopeful
I would say for the moment your husband is right and not to discuss anything at all right now with her.
Let things settle for a week or two - see how things go etc.
I know you don't want to fall out with each other (make things worse) - but space is definitely needed - there's the very real chance of you discussing it with her, she'll think all is ok and not take it as seriously.... The space will help her realise that she's actually having to face some consequences of her son's actions and her lack of action in trying to sort problems out in the past that arose etc. If you see what I mean xx

ConfusedAndStressed95 · 01/10/2019 05:59

Don't engage with her. Maybe she knew about it maybe she didn't. She could be mortified or might not care but she's not going to respond well to anyone criticizing her child in any way no matter how deserved.
Block the number without telling the mother or child and if questioned tell her that the amount of messages and tone of the messages was ridiculous and unnecessary and not something you are encouraging.

Notwiththeseknees · 01/10/2019 12:56

I would advising either not responding and blocking her sons/her number or a curtish "thank you for your message, we have been advised to let the school deal with it" then block. Encourage new relationships and out of school interests scouts, judo, swimming etc so this manipulative relationship does not appear the norm to your son.

monkeymonkey2010 · 01/10/2019 16:12

The other boys mum sent me a wasapp message last night apologising for all her sons messages saying she wasn't aware he'd been doing it..
She's a Class A liar isn't she?
I would block her so she can't text you at all - she's just trying to mess with your head.
She isn't interested in anything you've got to say - she'll just twist it round to make herself/her son look like the victims.

Personally, i'd respond with - "Well if you're sure that you weren't aware your child has been sending inappropriate text messages to another adult's phone then that's a safeguarding issue, and i am duly obliged to report it to the school".
Then i'd immediately block her and report her text to school

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