To want an entry level job that pays 22k

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I am feeling incredibly low at the min, and need some advice.
Around Christmas time, I will have completed my first year of teaching (nqt), and after lots of thinking I have decided to leave teachingonce I have officially passed nqt in January.

Anyway, I have a first class 5-11 primary teacher degree, BA. I'm looking for a job that I won't have to take a pay cut (22k) entry level, that will accept me without a subject specific degree. I have never really worked outside of school, other than retail jobs/BASIC admin 4+ years ago.

So do you have any job suggestions for me that pay around 22k, and have decent future prospects (as a teacher I would have probably never earned more than 33k, which I would be happy with long term!)

I don't really want to have to do a master's, but it is an option for me if I can't find other work.

I am currently working in the north-west.

Thanks

I work for a large ad agency. Our grads start out £20k but they tend to be on £35-40k within a few years.

My DD has just got her Master's and is in the NW and is hoping for the same entry level pay as you, OP, though not sure she will get it. I'm sorry, I don't know what to suggest!

I would second pp who said civil service, there are loads of different areas (DfE, HMRC, DEFRA etc) and lots of different grades of jobs.

Thank you all for taking the time to reply.
@Mama05070704 is this in London or outside of London? Also, would you need a marketing qualification?

Try the big four audit firms, Pwc, Deloitte, KPMG, Ernst & Young. They take any degree discipline, have offices all over the country and have good starting salaries. You'll need to spend the next few years studying your ACA while you work but there's a big patriae afterwards.

I think teaching would give you a great grounding for anything client focussed. Presentations, targets etc.

Prisons and probation have a number of different roles, your skills in education would be seen as a us even if the role wasn't within education, training and employment. Starting wage for a band 3 practitioner is around £23.5k check CRCs, NPS and private as well as state prisons. Potentially charities that work alongside these organisations and partner agencies for youth offending (without social work/probation qualification you won't get a YOT Officer role). Also civilian police roles if you don't fancy frontline PC.

£22k for being a teacher is a disgrace really isn’t it

I’m a teacher and my husband is a claims adviser. His salary is more like £19k but, per month, he doesn’t bring home much less than me.

Would you not try teaching in a different school first? It seems a shame to ditch teaching after just one year! I work with teachers and it’s a hard job, but they all say you have to find the right school, the new Ofsted framework looks tons better and I really think the next few years are going to get way better.

Your expectations are far too high, you won’t find an entry level job for that amount in the north west. I saw a admin role for an insurance company at £17k rising to £20k in two years I thought that was really good.

If you had a horrible NQT year (lots do!) might it be worth trying a switch of schools before giving up the profession you trained so long for? School cultures do vary enormously.

Just a suggestion.

Corporate training pays pretty well. There’s bound to be very different roles - presenting and developing courses. Maybe find out what training providers are around you?

What are you other interests? Money is important but if your expenses are low you can look at lots of options. I can relate to wanting to leave teaching I plan to supply from September 2020 I've been full time teaching since 2018

Teaching is teaching, unfortunately. I think people who suggest a new school are often just wishful thinking teachers, who hope that the grass is greener elsewhere. In reality most schools are as bad as the next, because there physically isn't the time in the working day to get all of the jobs needed, especially with no/part-time teaching assistant support. I'm currently working 7:30-6 everyday in school and then I have work to do when I get home and of the weekends, I'm actually working now! It's like this for most of the staff in my key stage and we are a big school with lots of experienced staff, I'm never the first in or last to leave! When you work it out by pay per hour, I'm barely making minimum wage, and my holidays and weekends are being spent unable to relax because I'm planning or researching or marking or just generally worrying. The pension is great, but the toll of mental health is unreal, and by the time my pension is taken from my salary I'm earning closer to 19k real terms anyway. It's all pretty grim, but I'm hoping it will stand me in good stead for future jobs.

It’s true what they say about your NQT year being really bloody difficult.

I agree with others about changing schools or giving it another year. I’m going into my fourth year and I finally feel like the actual job of teaching is getting easier. My year group are hard work but I feel reassured that my SLT think my year group partner and I can turn them around.

Not all school are like that, not all in any way. You just want to justify your decision to give up which is fine, but don’t cast such s negative light on a whole profession based on 1 year!

I second what a PP has said about looking at professional roles at a University - normally lots on offer with reasonable salaries. I work at one and started on around 19k with not huge amounts of experience. Have worked my way up over a few years so earn more than that now. Plus you normally get an annual incremental salary rise. And fairly decent holiday! We get a Christmas closure. On the whole I really enjoy it and think unis can be great places to work.

I've recruited to professional roles in our department and would 100% value the experience you would have gained through teaching and previous roles you mention - make sure you dont dismiss all of the great skills you will have.

Good luck!

In reality most schools are as bad as the next,

You're fresh out of uni, part way through your NQT year. You in no way shape or form have anywhere near the experience to say that. Truly.

I think people who suggest a new school are often just wishful thinking teachers, who hope that the grass is greener elsewhere.

I’m sorry that you’re struggling but that’s a crappy attitude, OP.

To address your original question: yes to Civil Service. Don’t bother with arts education / education officer or outreach roles. There are masses of teachers chasing these roles and they don’t pay as well. CS is also one of the few employers where you can compare the package like-for-like with teaching. I know that pensions won’t be high on your list of priorities right now but you need to factor in giving up a teaching pension when considering a career forecast of your earnings.

I think you need a reality check.

It's a bit arrogant to think you know what every teaching post in every school in the entire country is like based on a career of less than one year's duration. How old are you? 22?

Do you not think it might be somewhat foolish to jack in teaching after three years of study, less than one year of work, and jump into some random new career you know nothing about purely based on wanting to earn similarly and escape teaching and hard work? And by your own admission with no experience of note outside of the education sector?

How do you know you won't end up in an environment that's even worse and makes you even more miserable?

Why is this idea not a case of the grass being greener, but giving teaching a proper chance isn't?

If you are serious about retraining for a totally different path it would be wise to gain experience (of more than one place/role in a sector) and talk to as many people as you can with long term experience of that sector to find out what it's really like (not just what you imagine it will be like) and whether it's for you.

Most serious career paths entail hard graft at entry level to prove yourself and develop the skills and experience you need for the rest of your career. That's why the pay is higher. Teaching isn't unique in that respect.

There are career paths that won't accept people into training routes etc without at least a year's experience in the sector so they can be sure the person really knows the reality and that they are suited to it. Why would you even want to jump to an entirely different career without getting experience first?

It's not like picking a holiday out of a brochure based on price tag.

I left teaching and joined the civil service. I'm so.much happier. Several ex teachers in my department.

OP why are you leaving teaching? It does get easier after the first couple of years and you will eventually earn more than 33k. Perhaps you need to change schools.

as a teacher I would have probably never earned more than 33k, which I would be happy with long term!

You plan to stop your pay progression at M5? Why?

You must have had some sense of a vocation to work with children or in education to do a BEd. Has one year really killed that or are you burnt out?

PS it would probably be a good idea to get some specialist careers counselling. Talk to your university. Many keep their careers resources open to alumni for several years after graduation.

What about something related to education, like The Key, Capita, Scholarpack, Optimus? So you're using your education knowledge but organising conferences, training or developing education software.