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To wonder why some people just dont have a naturally caring/maternal nature?

10 replies

Harriet3451 · 20/09/2019 15:26

My partners has an elderly mother, who he lives with and cares for. I initially didn't get on with her and therefore didn't go to her home much.

However on the times I did I couldn't help notice neglect. It's a hard word to use but I cannot think of another more appropriate.

I believe its partially self neglect though now I suspect her mental capacity was worse than I originally thought and partially his ignorance or not wanting to address it.

Her hair was never washed or brushed. She wasn't getting washed reguarly, if at all. She didnt always make it to the toilet so her shoes and trousers would be soaked with urine. Her clothes dirty from food. The clothes she would wash she would scatter all over the house where there was dust and debris. Clutter just everywhere!

I think my partner turned a blind eye. That's all I can think. Just accepting how things are and putting his head in the sand. It frustrated me.

I often mentioned carers for her but he was adamant that she refuses and how they had carers before. I mentioned cleaners or having one big professional clean. He refused as he was so frightened of her being upset, saying how proud she is and how much she cries about not being able to do what she wants.

He always talked about wanting to look after her and do his best for her. That to him is checking on her a lot, checking if she was okay, checking if she needs anything, bringing her drinks and food, taken her out the house shopping but her basic hygiene and living standards he seemed blind too.

I continued to encourage outside help. When she ended up in hospital. I thought here is my chance for intervention. We went around the house and tackled the clean.

I filled around 3 full bin bags worth of clutter, several bin bags worth of rubbish and filled several bin bags of clothes littered all over the kitchen.

He tackled her bedroom. Again a similar story but he found soiled bedding, pads and underwear she was obviously too embarrassed to throw away.

She came back from hospital weak and in a state, soiled pads and dirty clothes. An absolute mess.

With a lot of encouragement over two days and her swallowing her pride, I washed her, found her clean clothes and combed her matted hair. Managed to convince my partner to just do the things that's needed even if it upsets his mum. He threw away her food soiled bedding and bed sheets and we just replaced it. She just accepted what we did with no complaint.

It was my opportunity to point out the terrible state of the house, her bedroom and how much help she needs. I think my partners eyes were opened but I still couldn't convince him to get carers.

She was admitted to hospital around a month ago following a fall and is still there. Thankfully in this time, he has fully embraced what she needs. I'm saying she needs a new bed - he looks into it. I'm saying she needs new clothes and her old ones sorting into charity/bin/packed away - he listens.

He embraces the practical but still when he goes to hospital every other day. It's me reminding hair needs brushing and having to remind her dentures need cleaning daily after them being cleaned this time for the first time in a month!!

Am I being unreasonable to wonder how its possible that some people just cant seem to register the basic needs of a person?

All us capable beings wash regularly, wash hair, teeth brushed daily, clean clothes. Basics.

OP posts:
Shalom23 · 20/09/2019 15:53

I'm my experience men expect women to do the caring work, without exception in every family I know . Because women will do so they continue to not notice.

Fatshedra · 20/09/2019 16:07

Have to say with one exception that is my experience.
Like to think that DS will be different but with his DF's example it might not be.

phoenixrosehere · 20/09/2019 16:32

It sounds like he was in denial and may be still struggling with the fact that his mother needs help.

From what you’ve said about how your husband describes his mother, she was an independent, strong, self-sufficient woman and that is how he know and sees her. To see her as the opposite is probably hurting him and he wants to hold on to that view of what she was not what she currently is where she needs constant help.

CMOTDibbler · 20/09/2019 16:42

It's really, really, hard to start parenting your own parent. Forcing them to wash/brush their hair, making them change their clothes is a daily reminder of what they've lost. And I know from very bitter experience that a suggestion from someone else is much more likely to be accepted that from their child - the rows I've had with my dad before I realised that saying the nurse/carer/doctor said it had to happen.

TomHagenMakesMyBosomTremble · 20/09/2019 16:46

Women notice more than men on a domestic level, I think. Plus it's always harder with your own parents/grandparents. Denial, people hiding it well, being unable to notice decline when it's gradual/under your nose all play parts, too.

I'd also argue having a caring or maternal nature isn't the only thing required. I'm also not especially "maternal" but I am still caring although fairly pragmatic. I actually think that's a good combination of qualities. Occasionally it can seem brutal but I find it tends to countenance high emotion.

TheMustressMhor · 20/09/2019 16:49

It's very difficult for many people with dementia to accept personal care. They often become aggressive and obstreperous.

It is even harder for men to provide personal, intimate care for their mothers. Many women would have difficulty doing this, never mind men.

Maybe the inability to deal with the terrible mess and chaos just got too much for him - and maybe his mother didn't want it done.

When she comes out of hospital make sure you've arranged a hospital bed for her. The OT dept. wherever she is will come to the house and arrange for all kinds of necessary equipment. Ask the nurses on the ward about an OT assessment for your partner's mother.

crosser62 · 20/09/2019 16:50

That’s not noticing stuff I thought from your title about people who genuinely have a stone for a heart.

My mother was completely hard to her mother. Didn’t care didn’t offer help, watched her suffer and struggle with absolutely zero feelings towards her.
Now that my mother is struggling I cannot comprehend not caring or feeling like I want to help her.

Loopytiles · 20/09/2019 16:52

So he is unwilling and / or unable to make sensible arrangements for his mother, to both their detriment.

I would inform her GP of your concerns about the situation and reconsider dating him.

Abraid2 · 20/09/2019 16:59

A man can’t be maternal, to be pedantic. Caring, yes.

I don’t feel maternal, either, towards my parents because I’m their daughter and not their mother. Semantics matter. 🙂

squashyhat · 20/09/2019 17:04

I have never felt maternal in my life, nor would I say I was particularly caring. However when my Father needed care I did what I could for him. The two are not incompatible.

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