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To think lots of people are dumb over smart meters

290 replies

InkedGreen · 18/09/2019 11:34

Fab little devices, we have ours on the kitchen table and is a great reminder to use less or to turn off stuff when we're not in the room. Showers make it go crazy and we've really cut down the shower lengths if not washing our hair

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Rinoachicken · 18/09/2019 12:40

@SmileCheese I knew they drew a little, but not how much.

And certainly did not expect a toaster to draw anything when not in use.

JaffaCakeGal · 18/09/2019 12:41

I'm so dumb that I sat in all day on my birthday a couple of years ago waiting for them to come and fit it... for them to not turn.

Then I was even dumber to rebook it and waste another day sat at home only for the guy to turn up and say "ah yes you were right, we can't access the meter well enough to replace".

Silly me.

IdClimbHimLikeATree · 18/09/2019 12:41

I want one, but not just yet, as there are still problems with the tech ie. not working when you swap suppliers.

I came on to say this. We swap suppliers a lot as the prices always rise after a year or so and the smart meter they fitted previously doesn't work with our current supplier.

I'm sure they've all researched and used the most energy efficient hardware for them but ours glowed bright enough to light the kitchen which made me think that the smart meter in itself was counter productive.

And it just caused me money stress because it was constantly there shining like a beacon in my kitchen telling me how much I was spending.

speakout · 18/09/2019 12:41

I don't want or need one.

I am very careful with my fuel usage/insulation is up to date.

I can't see how having a smart meter will mean me using less power.

user1471504234 · 18/09/2019 12:42

Well I’m pretty sure that didn’t go to plan for the op!
I can see how maybe a smart meter could help kids form good habits about not wasting electricity etc.
I’m very cynical though. Why are British Gas so desperate for me to get one that they contact me at least once a fortnight? Clearly there’s a lot in it for them, maybe less so for me.
I’m assuming that if I got one it’d be harder to change suppliers. I may be wrong but just don’t see the point.

Souwest · 18/09/2019 12:42

I used to work for an energy advice charity, totally independent and we had many clinets who had issues with smartmeters - we advocated for them with all suppliers.

  1. They are not compulsory - they are a choice. We had a lot of people often from deprived areas telling us they had door to door salespeole pressuring them to sign up for one - "its the law" NO IT IS NOT.
  1. They are based on first generation (or a very few now) second generation mobile phone technology -0 I'm guessing youe current mobile is 4G or 5G. So their communications are way behind the times.
  1. We had a lot of issues with some power companies switching people from credit (billing) meters to pay as you go if they got into difficulties - bypassing industry agreed timeframe and processes, agaisnt the law and Ofgen Guidelines.
  1. If you have a missed metering appointment the power company must reimburse you £30 per missed call. You may need to remind them of this, but it is enshrined in Ofgem rulings.
  1. If your smartmeter is set to "ping" your readings every 30 mins it can be useful to see how much electricity you are using. I had a client who swore she never used as much electric as she was being charged, but it was possible to see a peak at a specific time and she realised that was when she used her washing machine and tumble drier. These are the two biggest electric usage items in your home. Line dry if you can.
  1. They can be hacked - if the MOD and the Pentagon, and the Iranian nuclear program can be hacked YOU can be hacked. Do you trust the power company sub contractors who could be anywhere with your details?
  1. It has been said that with smartmeters the power company can switch your billing tariff without your say so. Theoretically it could charge by postcode, blackouts could be set and the consumer would be powerless to do anything. Theortically an extra charge coudl be made for power use at peak times - there are no plans yet for this but if you belive the "Climate Emergency" it is physically possible. There are a lot of conspiracy theories about smart meters - true or not?
  1. They are free - of course they are freaking free. Well, no, you pay for them through your tarrif - Aint nothing free. Or, if a product is free, then you are the product.
ShirleyB50 · 18/09/2019 12:44

Where we live smart meters don't work. There is no signal for mobile phones in the village either.

But you're right. I am dumb. About lots of other things.

HeckyPeck · 18/09/2019 12:46

I’m a total thicko because I don't want to have something that consumes energy (and energy and resources we're used it's manufacturer) to tell me how to use less energy.

Same here.

forkfun · 18/09/2019 12:50

@Her0utdoors oh you, with your logic and common sense! Anyway, I feel exact the same way.

flirtygirl · 18/09/2019 12:55

Smart meters are for dumb people too lazy to track their usage, in the myriad of ways already available to them.

It's not a hard thing to do. You know shorter showers, less or no tumble drier use, wash clothes on 30 or 40, group together loads so less overall loads, turn light off when you leave the room and don't leave anything on standby.

How dumb to you have to be to not get that.

BananaPlant · 18/09/2019 13:01

I want to swap suppliers, so why would I get one?

And when I stop reading about people being charged £10,000s because their smart meter is playing up and the companies refusing to take responsibility for it, I may reconsider.

SparklyMagpie · 18/09/2019 13:02

Biggest mistake I ever made getting one of them.

LadyOfTheCanyon · 18/09/2019 13:03

Don't be a sanctimonious prick, OP.

museumum · 18/09/2019 13:03

Not having one till they can handle swapping suppliers.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 18/09/2019 13:11

I see a smart meter as quite similar in principle to an Alexa, which we will also most definitely not ever be having in our house.

If you're frail, disabled or otherwise have a genuine need for one to help you in your everyday life, then fantastic.

If you don't physically need one but just like the spontaneity it brings you in return for having something permanently monitoring your household and transmitting data to the government, companies, hackers and anybody, anywhere in the world, with the technology and skill to harvest it and exploit it in their dealings with you (whether you've actively given permission, unwittingly given permission or have not and maybe would not ever give them permission) - then great, crack on; entirely your free choice to make.

Personally, we just use a computer and type in what we want from the internet. It only 'wakes up' and responds when its own buttons are touched, which, unlike speaking normally to each other in our home, is something that's easy to avoid unless you specifically want to use it.

No offence to you, OP, but your question as to why people who don't want smart meters are so dumb just instantly makes me think of these hapless souls you see in the media (especially the local papers), who've done something unbelievably and so obviously (to most people) foolish and then run to the paper to 'warn others' that, although nobody would ever dream it to be the case, sitting on the far end of the branch of a tree which you're sawing off next to the trunk is in fact, very dangerous - everybody should learn the lesson from them and not have to find out the hard way as 'it's an easy mistake that ANYBODY could make'.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 18/09/2019 13:14

In other news, if you have a pig that you want to fatten up as much as possible, make sure that you constantly keep on weighing it.

Don't bother looking at what you feed it, though - that's really irrelevant.

jane1956 · 18/09/2019 13:14

Surely you have to plug them in??? therefore using electricity Hmm

MigGril · 18/09/2019 13:16

We won't have one yet for all the above reasons. The technology is to new, they made to many of the first generation ones and are trying to get rid of them to unsupecking customers.

Plus we have solar pannels, so as long as I time my high use electric appliances to come on during the day I don't need to worry about the cost.

AlunWynsKnee · 18/09/2019 13:20

People don't actually understand what the implications of the meter are. Any connected device has implications and should be assessed.

picklemepopcorn · 18/09/2019 13:21

You shouldn't use any electrical item for longer than is necessary to do the job.

Why does a smart meter (which uses electricity and is manufactured using electricity and plastic and water) help me?

JudgeRindersMinder · 18/09/2019 13:36

I’m so dumb I was using low energy light bulbs before 99% of the population knew they existed.
I won’t be having a monitor any time soon, as I know how much power I use and am very happy with it. I’m happy to provide meter readings to the provider any time they ask

NaviSprite · 18/09/2019 13:39

As a person who has worked for one of the major energy providers in the UK and have seen the issues the so-called Smart Meters have caused from their inception to present, I would happily say that I will never have one and if that makes me dumb in your mind then I think I can live with that random internet person :)

JudgeRindersMinder · 18/09/2019 13:39

OP I think you’re the kind of person for whom McDonald’s print “caution, contains hot liquid” on their coffee cups!

Gatehouse77 · 18/09/2019 13:41

We won’t be having one until the security is tightened up (and only if we’re forced to).
For the same reason I wouldn’t have an Alexa or similar.

m0therofdragons · 18/09/2019 13:48

Been asking for one and been on the waiting list for at least 3 years. With 3 dc I'd love to understand our usage!

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