The Lib Dem position on Brexit is not “anti-democratic”

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Ever since they announced their revoke Article 50 policy, I am seeing comments about their lack of respect for “democracy” everywhere. Even serious journalists are questioning them along these lines.

How is it anti-democratic to set out your manifesto in advance of an election? They can’t force people to vote for them.

It is undemocratic. There was a vote leave won, it would not be undemocratic to say let’s have another vote. But just to say fuck it we are not listening is undemocratic.

I am a huge remain supporter, and historically a Lib Dem voter.

However, I also want to live in a democratic country, I think there is a huge problem with the liberal elite stating that they know better than everyone else and therefore their opinion is more valid. It gives that odious toad Farage something bounce off and gain support.

actually I think the remain side has been proven right. We do know better. Look at the mess side the leave side has made of it all. It’s not going to end well.

But just to say fuck it we are not listening is undemocratic.

But that's not what they are doing. If they cancel Brexit, it will be because voters have elected them to do that, they will be listening to the electorate of 2019, as opposed to the one of 2016.

Of course it’s not anti democratic.

Jo Swinson is doing her very best to be more unelectable as a PM, than Jeremy Corbyn.

I think they’re a good protest party but, not to be taken seriously

Of course it’s not anti- democratic

The Brexit Party want to leave with no deal. If you want that and don’t care about their total lack of ongoing policies about anything else, vote for them.

If you want another referendum (we think), vote Labour.

If you want more lies, lunatic Etonians and grandiose statements that amount to utter delusion, vote Conservative.

If you want to revoke the whole shitshow and resume normal life, vote Lib Dem.

The Lib Dem’s couldn’t be clearer. There is no Brexit deal that is better for the UK than remaining. This is obvious. If the last 3 years aren’t an illustration of this, I don’t know that is.

I’m tired of all this “will of the people” nonsense.

One third didn’t vote.
Of the two thirds who did vote in 2016, slightly more voted Leave.
If that was a general election, it would be a hung Parliament.

People were lied to. We know this now. Yet one of the main liars has become PM! The other is still orchestrating everything behind the scenes when really he should be tried for cyber crimes / falsifying public information.

Even BJ doesn’t believe in Brexit. But he rather push the nation of a cliff than lose face.

I don’t think the LDs will win nationally because of FPTP. But, in terms of numbers of votes, I think they might well surprise people. And in marginal Conservative seats such as where I live (Richmond) they will win for sure. Everyone I know has switched to LD - and these are bankers, entrepreneurs etc, ie previous Conservative voters. You can feel the shift in public sentiment. People have had enough of liars and want a return to common sense and middle ground politics. The LDs have given us our voice back and thank god for that. In fact, I’d rather vote Labour and live with their taxation policies than be pushed into no deal. It’s come to something when bankers, etc are talking about turning to JC to get the Tories out. I think this election will redefine politics.

actually I think the remain side has been proven right. We do know better

Oh get over yourself.
Remainers know nothing other than the propaganda they get fed daily.

Yes, why are people not shouting about how undemocratic the actual referendum was. But somehow that’s sacrosanct. Not to mention the fact that the demographics have changed in the intervening 3 years.

actually I think the remain side has been proven right. We do know better. Look at the mess side the leave side has made of it all. It’s not going to end well.

This is exactly, precisely the attitude I as talking about. It is ridiculously damaging.

We believe it isn’t going to end well but we have no crystal ball. We do not know. The excessive smuggery does not help.

There was a referendum, I don’ think there should have been and “call me Dave” can fuck off. But there was.

It only required 50%. Again it should have been 67%.

There was a vote and poles since has shown that most people would still vote the same.

So yes I can see the point of another referendum asking people whether they want no deal or remain. But I feel that saying just cancel it is undemocratic.

Socks - but nobody is being forced to vote LD.

Even if there was another referendum, various people would say that was undemocratic.

And then there would be a debate about what should go on the ballot - ie. some would say a “no deal” option should be on there, but a “remain” option is undemocratic. An equal number of people would argue the opposite.

This is a political party setting out it’s objectives. Not everyone will agree with those objectives. But in a democracy, different parties will hopefully represent the spectrum of views across the nation and that’s all that’s happening here. There are many many millions who would prefer to see A50 revoked and who don’t subscribe to the referendum of 2016 being the be all and end all. As the facts emerge and people better understand the reality of what Brexit actually means, public opinion will obviously shift.

Its listening to experts in science, medicine, industry, education and culture listening to propaganda? No it isn’t. A disaster is predicted and we don’t have much time left.

I didn’t need a Phd in economics to understand that leaving the biggest most prosperous economic trading block on earth would be a disaster.

There wasn’t even a plan of how to leave properly ffs.

Did the “Leave Campaign” even mention at any point how Northern Ireland could be affected? How many people who voted Leave gave this a second’s consideration? How many would have voted for no deal? Or if they’d known Boris’ bus slogan was a lie?

How many people who voted Leave even gave the EU a second’s thought before Farage started on his rampage to whip up xenophobic / nationalist sentiment and Cummings came up with his “take back control” propaganda campaign. I never met a single Leave voter in all these years who could even name one piece of EU legislation.

Well yes I could vote for Farage, Corbyn or Boris. I don’t have to vote Lib Dem. But crickey i’m not left with a lot of choices,

Of course it's not undemocratic.

They are putting it in their manifesto and they are giving people to vote on thay policy.

What BJ / Cummings are doing just now is anti democratic.

I don't actually support the LD policy so I am unlikely to vote for them.

But it does depend on who is the main challenger to my Tory MP.

Can't imagine it will be the LD's though.

If they win an outright majority at a General election they will have a democratic mandate to do whatever they like
including revoking A50

An election manifesto cannot be anti-democratic. It’s an election manifesto ffs.

Of course it's not anti democratic! They are saying what they will do if elected!

Were they to be elected, the manifesto they campaign on becomes the new 'will of the people'

Unilaterally revoking A50 is the logical thing for the LibDems to do given that Jo Swinson has said that she wouldn't respect the result of a second referendum if Remain lost again. Clearly they belong to the political class that knows better and fits perfectly with their mantra that TWAW #nodebate. Given that most of the rural LibDems seats voted leave, recasting yourself as a metropolitan party is a high risk strategy.