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WIBU to find comments innapropriate for a 3 year old?

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HaveIGoneMad · 16/09/2019 09:52

I apologise for the very long post. So bit of backstory, I've had issues with my FIL saying things that I've felt were a bit rude/close to the mark before but mostly kept my mouth shut for the sake of keeping the peace. Things such as comments about what I do all day (I have a weekend job but otherwise I'm a stay at home parent because it works best for us in terms of childcare), comments about me having had a c-section (without which both I and my daughter would have died and I'm already struggling to come to terms with - that's a whole other topic entirely) and just general little digs that are subtle enough to be misconstrued or said out of earshot of my partner. But these comments are said to me a grown adult who can ignore it if needs be.

Yesterday however things were said to my 3 year old. We were out at a restaurant, firstly she is only very recently toilet trained and realised that she needed a wee and so panicked and quite loudly announced that she really needed a wee to us all. I took her no problem she did her wee I congratulated her for realising and telling me in time and that was done, we walk out and immediately my FIL tells her "you didn't have to tell the whole restaurant". She is 3 and she panicked, I brushed it off, congratulated her for telling me again and didn't comment to avoid an argument. Then he took her toy away from her while she was playing nicely and refused to give it back until she said please, he snatched it off her first and then when she did say please he made a big thing about teaching her manners (she has beautiful manners which lots of people comment on and there was no need for that). I said nothing because I was expecting my partner to say something - he was oblivious to the situation. By this point I'm getting very wound up. We talk about her nursery and she has a male friend who he asks if it's her boyfriend 🤨 I know that alot of people make light of this and it's not a massive deal but I personally don't agree with asking that of a 3 year old who doesn't understand the meaning. He then spills his drink and leaves it all over the table, I tell him his drink has spilt, my 3 year old notices this and grabs a napkin and wipes it up, to which he comments: "you'll make someone a good wife one day" to which I reply, quite politely with a smile, that "actually i'm sure her future partner will be more than capable of cleaning up after themselves" at which point he acts quite affronted and says well it's just a saying.

He also seemed to get fed up when my admittedly rather clingy baby began crying when he held her. I can settle her best, not that I think I'm better than anyone else but she is only a tiny baby and obviously wants her mummy. He really seems to have an issue with that though and was coming up with all sorts of reasons such as - she can see her dad better, and it's the position your holding her in, and she can see the TV. No! It's just because I'm her mummy and she knows my heartbeat and smell and voice and finds that comforting. I put her down in the pram finally settled and he plays peek-a-boo by loudly shouting in a really agressive rougher than normal voice BOO right in her face. That would probably make me cry let alone a tiny baby.
Then when I settled her again, he got right in her face to take a picture and comments: oh so you can be cute when your not screaming. Gaaaahhhhhh!! AIBU to think a grown man should know better? My partner thinks I'm too sensitive to some things which I possibly am, I do have some MH issues which could cloud my judgement.

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meccacos2 · 16/09/2019 11:09

No, it’s not your mental health issues. Your FIL is an absolute twat.

This would annoy me.

If my partner was this passive, I would refuse future family events. Your FIL’s behaviour is disgusting in the circumstances you have described.

Taking a toy from your child?? Embarrassing her after she’s been to the toilet?? WTF?!

PositiveVibez · 16/09/2019 11:09

Everyone knows elderly people say stuff that was acceptable when dinosaurs roamed the earth but are not acceptable now. At some point, usually after retirement, adults just do not keep up with political correctness trends

Oh please fuck off with your ageism.

That is absolute bollocks.

PamEars · 16/09/2019 11:10

I agree, if anything you've been too tolerant. It's not you it's him being a PITA

Stayawayfromitsmouth · 16/09/2019 11:11

He sounds like a right twat. I'd limit visits with him until your kids are old enough to ignore or even argue back with his nonsense.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 16/09/2019 11:13

I had many of the same issues and quite a fraught relationship with my own FiL. Sadly I think "goady" was his default mode. For years I battled back and then, one day, I dunno, I just dropped the rope, stopped engaging and he changed his ways a bit.

He had a severe stroke last year and came to live in our house. I didn't do any actual physical caring; (DH and carers 4 times a day dealt with that), but I spent a fair bit of time with him, chatting on and reminiscing and helping him to feel human. I dunno, I suppose after all the years of bickering we just sort of bonded.

He's passed away now and I feel sad and miss him.

Isaididont · 16/09/2019 11:14

He sounds very difficult and I particularly don’t like the way he made your dd feel bad when she announced she needed the toilet. I hate it when adults make children feel embarrassed. You sound like an absolutely lovely mum. All you can do is damage control /minimise contact where you can and get your DP on side too, he’s probably so used to it he doesn’t see it anymore...

YouokHun · 16/09/2019 11:16

He’s perfectly harmless grumpy old man. Everyone knows elderly people say stuff that was acceptable when dinosaurs roamed the earth but are not acceptable now. At some point, usually after retirement, adults just do not keep up with political correctness trends.
I’d just put up with it as he means well and it is just the usual cringe stuff

Rubbish. I can think of plenty of older people who wouldn’t dream of saying things like this man or responding to a child like that. I think it’s true that if you’re a bit of a wanker your wankiness gets worse as you get older. It doesn’t start when you start picking up your pension.

kaytee87 · 16/09/2019 11:19

He's a nasty bully. I'd cut down on contact.

AllNewDay · 16/09/2019 11:24

Sounds as if he wants more attention from you and your family and cannot deal with the fact that your daughter gets the attention he wants. Hence stealing the toy, "playing" with her, etc.

He needs to grow up.

ravenmum · 16/09/2019 11:28

I spent far too long trying to be polite to irritating, big-mouthed in-laws before discovering that they get a lot more respectful if you do not take their shit.
At the same time, though, it's worth showing the children that you are not actually upset by nonsensical opinions; that you can trust your own judgement and not be put off by criticism when it is unfounded.

StoppinBy · 16/09/2019 11:29

Your post has me wound right up because this is exactly my story.... my daughter is now 6 and my son 2 but it is like you literally just changed a few details then threw my life right back at me.... oblivious husband (who has grown up with this and a mother too scared to say anything so thinks it's 'just dad and it's how he has always been' )and obliging, brow beaten MIL. Gosh I dislike the man more than anything!

You need to try and get your husband to see this behaviour for what it is! Grown men who snatch things off kids yet throw a fit if kids do it back, who think that yelling at a crying baby is a great idea, who like to criticise your parenting and probably tell you how wrong you are for responding to your hurt child with more than a flick of the hand on the backside for daring to cry about skinning their knee!!

The only advice I can give you is that you need to somehow get your partner to see what is happening and why it is not ok but in reality my husband has only just admitted to himself that it happens.... after his dad called our daughter stupid and dumb!!!! At least if you both agree it is happening and are on the same page you know you are supported (kind of) in stopping it. My husband and I have agreed that if it happens again he will be told to leave our house, if it is a minor thing (something aimed at us rather than the kids) then he will be told to stop and if he continues then he will be told to leave. It has caused innumerable arguments in our relationship and I wish it would just stop.

I hope you can sort it out............... sorry for the long post, it drives me mad and makes me so bloody angry just thinking about it!!

53rdWay · 16/09/2019 11:37

Ugh I hate it when people can't interact with children without teasing them and telling them off. He's not 'teaching her manners' by grabbing her toy and refusing to give it back until she asks just right, he's just being a bully.

PlinkPlink · 16/09/2019 11:41

Jesus. He sounds like a sexist bully 😳

Taking away a child's toy for no reason?

I would be getting pretty het up about would probably end up saying something quite stern.

Not quite sure how you're managing to a stay so calm. Kudos.

FizzyGreenWater · 16/09/2019 11:49

He's a twat. Start putting him his place now or it will get worse now you have children.

He'll be terribly affronted and start making comments about you wearing the trousers/being hysterical - to which you can give a big grin and reply 'Yep, I would have expected you to come back with exactly that phrase! Like I said, don't ever take X's toys away like that again. Her manners are fine, and if they aren't, that's up to us to work on.'

Keep at it with the 'don't fuck with me' attitude and the end result will be that he keeps away. BONUS!

HennyPennyHorror · 16/09/2019 11:50

Don't expose your child to that any more.
I certainly wouldn't.

Inertia · 16/09/2019 12:12

You're definitely not being over-sensitive- I wouldn't want to expose my daughters to attitudes like that without making some very strong responses. Stop keeping the peace- we need to stop conditioning our girls to be kind in order to spare the feelings of bullying men. Start speaking out- his language and behaviour are not acceptable. Don't wait for your partner to speak out, he clearly isn't going to.

HaveIGoneMad · 16/09/2019 12:13

Thank you everyone for all your replies it's nice to know that I'm not just being silly and over sensitive, I might start trusting myself a bit more. I've tried to be tolerant so far simply because my reactions have been blamed on my MH in the past so I suppose it's hard to know if my feelings are justified sometimes.
I do try to avoid confrontation but I will definitely try and stick up for my children (and myself) more often now.

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mbosnz · 16/09/2019 12:18

With the snatching toys thing, I think I'd say 'Oi! FIL, didn't your mother ever teach you it's rude to snatch. You give that toy back to DD right now, and say sorry! You need to set a good example of manners! DD, what a good girl you are, waiting patiently for naughty FIL to give you back your toy!'

He might possibly gobble a little. Like a turkey.

Jeremybearimybaby · 16/09/2019 12:19

Your judgement is fine OP - he's just a prick. A useful phrase I've adopted, when others are rude, is 'What do you mean by that?' and then sit, quietly, with eye contact, and a slightly puzzled look on your face.
If they bluster, and say it's a joke, just say, 'ok, but what did you mean?' Repeat as necessary, and don't let it drop.
It's ok if they think you're stupid (you're not) or can't take a joke (it has to be funny for it to be a joke) as it's not about not understanding, it's about keeping them accountable for the drivel that comes out of their mouths!
Make them explain it, each and every single time.
Also, please speak up for your DC - they can't speak up for themselves, so need you to do it. There's a reason people like your FIL do stuff like this to helpless children, who can't answer back.
Also, you have a DP problem. He needs to be supportive towards you.

littlepaddypaws · 16/09/2019 12:20

i'd be taking dh to task as well, why isn't standing up for you. challenge fil every time he's acting like a prat and boot dh up the backside to engage to put a stop to this nonsense.

Jeremybearimybaby · 16/09/2019 12:20

my reactions have been blamed on my MH in the past so I suppose it's hard to know if my feelings are justified sometimes.

Who's blaming your reactions on your MH?

HaveIGoneMad · 16/09/2019 12:27

@Jeremybearimybaby my mum blamed my MH for alot of things as I was growing up and still does when I get annoyed over certain things now, and my DP has blamed my MH in the past when I've gotten paranoid over actions/comments that's he has made too.

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Greyhound22 · 16/09/2019 12:30

Oh bollocks is he perfectly harmless - elderly people nowadays were not bought up in the dark ages. There's no excuse.

Stick up for your daughter - like you did with the wife comment and try and avoid him best you can.

Greyhound22 · 16/09/2019 12:32

Well he's probably not even what you would class as 'elderly' is he

PlinkPlink · 16/09/2019 12:34

Blaming your MH issues.

I'm sorry but thays a pretty shit thing to do. Blaming it on your MH issues doesn't make your feelings less valid.

I find this a bit odd. It sounds like they've dismissed your feelings just because you suffer with depression/anxiety? Why would they do that?

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