Government trying to soften us up to accept chlorinated chicken

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www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/13/science-on-safety-of-chlorinated-chicken-misunderstood

@GladAllOver
The beef hormones are also in all milk/dairy products too.
And the milking process in the US results in many cows with mastitis...thus high levels of pus in the milk.

Fancy feeding your kids some ice cream laced with bovine growth hormone and cow pus?

@Hedgehogblues
And that’s fine, because the GM food allowed by the EU has been tested for long term safety. So you can have confidence it is ok.

That’s not the case with GM food in the US. They do short term tests on rats and then release to humans.

There is a reason why life expectancy is a decade shorter and cancer rates are higher in the US than the U.K....and with most things being very comparable....food is one of only key differences.

I won't be buying chlorinated chicken but wonder if it's really that bad. After all we swim in chlorinated water, and our drinking water is chlorinated.

Surely being in the eu has softened us up for chlorinated chicken?

Horse meat scandel and endless food quality /standards that are utterly rank.

UK has Best pork in world. Our pig farming standards are excellent and yet even then its impossible to police.

In the eu its a free for all, standard are there but not imposed. Dirt poor farms in Lithuania and Albania are not policed, they can't follow the set standard its all a total farce.

The pig welfare is non existent and all the rest! So I can't fathom the froth about chlorine chicken.

I buy meat that I know the provinence of.
Once I made the mistake of buying danepack bacon. I've never seen anything so Vile and unpalatable in a pan, couldn't eat it!

Time to be vegetarian / vegan....

The main issue, missed by posters above, is that chlorinating chicken carcasses means you can get away with much lower hygiene and welfare standards for the animals whilst they are alive.

So why are remain campaigners constantly banging on about "chlorinated chicken" when that's not the issue? If the issue is "poorer animal welfare" then why don't they say so?

you say dont eat it but it will bring down the cost of chicken.Put farmers out of business and then we will be forced to eat it

Most people choose free range eggs over ones from battery farms, even though the latter are cheaper.

Yuk, just reading about friprinol in eggs!

Poor animal welfare is massive issue across the the eu, so why expend energy on what might happen with the US when it's in full flow in eu

@September
“Poor animal welfare is massive issue across the the eu, so why expend energy on what might happen with the US when it's in full flow in eu”

You are comparing apples to oranges. Poor animal welfare is only considered a problem in the EU because the animal welfare standards are much higher than in the US. A farmer with poor hygiene and animal welfare is identified and fined in the EU, but in the US it’s totally legal and thus not identified as a problem.

It’s like saying domestic violence is a problem in the U.K., so why worry about what might happen with Russia....not recognising that it’s only because Putin has legalized wife beating that Russia says it doesn’t have a DV “problem.”

Dirt poor farms in Lithuania and Albania are not policed, they can't follow the set standard its all a total farce.

Well for one thing, Albania is not a member of the EU.

Got any evidence that farms in Lithuania are not appropriately regulated?

The "issue" is that it's hard to see how flooding the market with chicken that has to be disinfected before sale (because its raised in dirty, overcrowded conditions) is good for either then British economy or consumers. And unless labelling restrictions are imposed consumers wont even be able to swerve it.

Should we also be asking ourselves if the next president of the US wants a trade deal with the UK?

Doctor that's the point. Welfare standards are not policed on the eu. Have all the guidance, standards in world with nothing at all behind them to actually police it, it's useless. I also do not agree that us has poorer standards on welfare than the eu

And both are far behind the UK anyway.

"Apart from a few voluntary codes, the American poultry industry is unregulated"

I don't think that's true....

But their food regulations specifically allow growth hormones in meat, and the disgusting ractopamine fed to pigs that makes their legs collapse.

I’ve pretty much cut chicken out of our diet, even now it seems to be a poor quality meat product. It’s rather tasteless & pumped full of water

Does anyone remember the horse meat we were feed? This was within the EU wasn’t it?

Just because the horsemeat food fraud happened doesn't mean that US regulations are better, or that USA food safety situation is better.

I can list countless recent US food scandals & food frauds if you like...

Yeoldtrout - that would be good thanks 🙏
The horsemeat fiasco really got me thinking and more info would be great

The thing about the horsemeat scandal is that it was detected and punished.
Also it was a labelling offence rather that a safety one. No one was harmed by eating horsemeat.

I also do not agree that us has poorer standards on welfare than the eu

It's possible you've never driven within 50 miles of a feedlot in eastern Colorado then, Septembersunrays.

Welfare standards are not policed on the eu.

That is absolutely not true, and if you or your relatives worked in agriculture you would not have posted that.

Welfare standards and food handling standards are very high.

Specs for, for instance, milking parlour equipment, are detailed and specific, and if your farming relatives live and work in Ireland and are members of a co-op (most are) then the co-op tests all the milk.

In the UK the NMR provides vital lab services for the farming sector.

Basically, the expectations of the EU market, which are based on regulations, force farmers and processors to remain in good standing.

Then there are the geographical indications and traditional specialties certifications that the EU provides, and which it polices.

The UK has had to pull up its socks massively because of the BSE shock, but the idea that British standards are far above the rest of the world is a conceit.

Drinking water in the UK is chlorinated

And that's relevant to this conversation because?

It's not the chlorine people are worried about. It's the standards behind animal welfare

It is relevant to the conversation because people in the UK are already drinking chlorine -

And about animal welfare; killing animals to eat their bodies is about as cruel as you can get! The answer is DON'T EAT ANY MEAT AT ALL IF YOU CARE ABOUT ANIMAL WELFARE.

Most of the people in the UK don't give a shit about killing animals when it comes to their grub. It sounds like most Brits have have their brains washed (with the local chlorinated H2O) when it comes to 'chlorinated chicken' - because they don't know what it is and that they are already drinking it.

Do not eat any animals.

It is relevant to the conversation because people in the UK are already drinking chlorine

And still irelevant because it's not the chlorine people are worried about.

Most of the people in the UK don't give a shit about killing animals when it comes to their grub

I think we do care a bit about their welfare before they are killed - and the effect that has on our health.

Do not eat any animals

Well - that's a whole new debate, isn't it...