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to think what's the point in the Queen

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chomalungma · 11/09/2019 16:12

If she has to rubber stamp to shut Parliament down because that's what her Ministers advise, even though it's clearly for a political move.

Who is there to protect us from the Government?

There are going to be massive changes after all of this. Our Constitution has been found wanting.

The Queen is great for continuity, for tourism and she has done valuable public service But at this important time, she has been used and the system of a Constitutional Monarch who is merely a figure head has been shown up.

I also wonder what she will be saying to Johnson when they next meet up.

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DoctorAllcome · 11/09/2019 16:18

I think the House Of Lords is biggest check on any one party (Government) because they are nonpartisan.
The Queen is a known brexiteer. It’s why her entire reign she has spun off all the colonies she inherited. She fervently believes each nation should steer its own ship. So, she rubber stamped BJ because he aligned with her views.

chomalungma · 11/09/2019 16:32

Unfortunately the House of Lords can be stuffed with people who support the Government.

There are going to be massive changes once all this has settled.

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ginghambox · 11/09/2019 16:34

There are going to be massive changes
Such as?

chomalungma · 11/09/2019 16:37

Such as

Who has the final say over Prorogation?
Should the Queen take other advice before acting on the advice of ministers if something is political?
The make up of the House of Lords.
The way the Parliamentary timetable is arranged and who has control over it.
The First past the post system.

And that's just for starters.....

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TeenPlusTwenties · 11/09/2019 16:41

Who is there to protect us from the Government?

The MPs, and the courts.
At the moment the checks and balances seem to be working pretty well as far as I can see.

Parliament couldn't agree on what to do, so agreed nothing. Then when it looked like 'no deal' would go through by default, it stopped it. Parliament didn't agree to a GE because it was concerned the date would be shifted.
The Queen acted as advised (can you imagine the furore if she didn't?), but the courts are currently saying the advice was wrong, and it's going up to the supreme court.

It is definitely a mess, but at the moment it is a democratic mess.

chomalungma · 11/09/2019 16:52

he Queen acted as advised (can you imagine the furore if she didn't

Which throws up a whole new situation.

What if she thinks the advice is wrong..should she trust the advice?
Or is she merely a figure head?
Yes - MPs are doing their job. Even with a lot of stick from the press. As are the judges - remember 'The enemies of the people'.
And the Speaker - and we all know how some people have viewed him.

What is the role of the Queen in looking out for us.

This is the oath she took:

Archbishop. Will you solemnly promise and swear to govern the Peoples of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Union of South Africa, Pakistan, and Ceylon, and of your Possessions and the other Territories to any of them belonging or pertaining, according to their respective laws and customs?

Queen. I solemnly promise so to do.

Archbishop. Will you to your power cause Law and Justice, in Mercy, to be executed in all your judgements?

Queen. I will

There is also some stuff about religion in the oath.

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Hannah021 · 11/09/2019 16:56

The queen has no real say in anything, she's told what to do and what to sign by her ministers. Her role is purely symbolic.

chomalungma · 11/09/2019 16:58

The queen has no real say in anything, she's told what to do and what to sign by her ministers

So what's the point in having a Monarch then.....

As the AIBU says.

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TeenPlusTwenties · 11/09/2019 17:07

Well, apart from her links with countries / leaders across the world, her 60 years experience of Prime Ministers from various parties, her neutrality, her knowledge?

What did the Romans ever do for us?

familycourtq · 11/09/2019 17:11

There are going to be massive changes once all this has settled.

I wish.

chomalungma · 11/09/2019 17:30

Well, apart from her links with countries / leaders across the world, her 60 years experience of Prime Ministers from various parties, her neutrality, her knowledge

What's the point in all that if she has to rubber stamp stuff....

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TeenPlusTwenties · 11/09/2019 18:36

Wise PMs would listen to the advice.
Better to have it and be sometimes ignore, than not have it at all.

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