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Have you applied for your year 6's secondary school?

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sarah8484 · 09/09/2019 22:55

Just that really, have you applied for you dc's secondary school places? This is literally the most daunting thing I think I have to do. My ds knows which school he wants to go to but a lady over the road from me said she applied for the same school my ds wants to go to and her ds never got a place and wasn't even offered any of his choices, apparently there was a baby boom in 2008 where I live. Id be devastated if my ds didn't get his choice of school. Theres only 2 schools I want to put, but its recommended I put 5! Any one only applied for 1/2 schools?

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Glittertwins · 11/09/2019 07:21

I had this fun last year. I was recommended to put my first choice school that was our nearest as no 1 on the list. Then our preferred selectives followed by the next nearest state schools (have to say isn't great).

They did pass the 11+ but owing to the boom year, the catchment distance was almost halved so we had zero chance of getting in. At the time they sat the exam, we were still inside catchment distance on the latest data possible at the time.

We did get our first choice school and they are quite happy.

Use your choices wisely, use them all, research the numbers of those admitted under your local admissions criteria and even go back a few years to see what the trend is. Good luck

steppemum · 11/09/2019 09:31

TeenPlusTwenties

that's a great list!

I have 3 at secondary and one thing I have come to realise is that while there are good and bad school, what you are lookinh for is a school which is a good fit for YOUR child. That may also be very different to your second child, or to their best friend.
Go round the school with your child in mind.

And the only thing I would add to that list is behaviour

  1. what is the behaviour of the students like in the classes/corridors (calm, focussed, relaxed, or rigid quiet or noisy constant underlying buzz)
  2. what are their behaviour policies, about swearing, backchat, bullying etc. (And any school which says they don't have any of that is delusional.) andaround homework not done etc.

With lots of the questions it is as much about HOW they respond as the actual answer

sarah8484 · 11/09/2019 15:14

Thank you everyone for all the useful tips and advice x

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Oblomov19 · 11/09/2019 21:11

Applied tonight. Did county CAF and also did local school SIF and put it through priests letterbox.

Glad I've done it all!
Phew!

eddiemairswife · 11/09/2019 21:35

Oblomov just make sure the priest gives you a receipt for the SIF.

SadOtter · 11/09/2019 21:40

No, I'm in Kent, 11+ is tomorrow and I'll apply once we have results.

DS is year 11, it was easy with him, he knew where he wanted to go and had a few back ups he quite liked and there was never any doubt he would pass 11+, DD is borderline and doesn't like any of the schools, I chose totally the wrong primary for her and its severely damaged her metal health (moved schools and under CAMHS) so I really don't know where to apply for Sad

KirstyJC · 11/09/2019 21:52

I am getting worried we haven't had any letter about this yet but we will only put 2 choices down like we did for ds1. We live about 500m from our 1st choice and the nearest other school is our 2nd choice and is about 7 miles away. The other nearest is not very good and is 10 miles away so we didn't bother putting it as we felt it would be the one they gave us if neither 1st nor 2nd came up anyway. We are pretty rural and all ds1s friends got their 1st choices so we are pretty hopeful. Just waiting for the letter to apply.

user1471590586 · 11/09/2019 21:56

This is quite a useful tool that was shared in a local paper. Select your county and school and you can see how many applications there were for each school place. www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/schools-leicestershire-hardest-3282392?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Mustbetimeforachange · 11/09/2019 22:19

You may not get a letter, isn't it all on line now?

LoonyLunaLoo · 11/09/2019 22:31

Not yet as DS is doing the 11+. Not holding out a huge amount of hope though 🙈.

It’s stressful as he will NOT be going to either of our local schools if he gets allocated either. We can only pick 3 schools and of course, all the good schools are over subscribed.

If he doesn’t pass the 11+ we will need to seriously consider private, which he doesn’t want to do because, ‘why would you pay for school?’ 😂

MildThing · 11/09/2019 22:43

It’s 31st Oct everywhere in England.

You can’t appeal fir a school you didn’t apply to. So if there is the perfect school that really does meet some specific need in your child, but you don’t stand a chance under the admission criteria it is still worth listing first if you would have a chance of winning an appeal later on.

Likewise if you don’t get your preferred offer when allocations are first made you will automatically go on the waiting list for all schools you put higher up your list for any places that come up after the acceptances are all in.

NavyBlueHue · 11/09/2019 23:20

Not true for all MildThing. Some LA’s don’t automatically put you on the waitlist. Some you must ask to go on... so that’s worth checking.

In addition you can appeal to a school you didn’t put in the original CAF. You can request to go on it’s waitlist too although that wouldn’t be automatic for those LA’s that do put you on automatically.

@sarah8484 my advice would be to get this moved over to the Secondary thread so that the experts like @admission @PatriciaHolm @prh47bridge and @panelchair can dispel any myths

prh47bridge · 12/09/2019 08:44

I've skimmed through the thread and can't see any obvious myths being propagated on here. However, the advice I would give is:

The deadline is 31st October in England, 8th November in Wales. Make sure you apply on time. There is no rush. You don't get any priority by applying early.

You will be able to name between 3 and 6 schools depending on where you live. Use all your choices. It isn't compulsory but that gives you the best chance of avoiding schools you really don't want.

You may come across parents who tell you that you should only name one school because that way the council have to give you that school. They will tell you it worked for them. They are wrong. They would have got that school however many other choices they had named.

When naming schools put them in your genuine order of preference. Ignore schools that tell you your child will only get a place if you name them as first choice. They are wrong. And don't worry about missing out on your local school by naming it as second preference behind the school you really want. You won't. All councils are required by law to use what is known as the "equal preference" system. That means there is no priority for naming a school as a higher preference. People who name a school as last preference are treated equally with those who name it as first preference. The order of preferences only comes into play if your child qualifies for a place at more than one school. In that situation you will only be offered the highest preference with a place available.

Include at least one school where you have a strong chance of getting a place. That may mean a hard choice if your LA only allows you to name 3 preferences. But if you miss out on all your preferences, the council will allocate the nearest school with places. That will clearly be a school you don't want but it could also be miles from home. It is better to have a nearby school you didn't want than one that is miles away.

Don't worry about what to put down as the reasons you want a school. Unless you say something that puts your child in a higher admissions category it won't make any difference (and there should be other boxes to complete with anything that would affect the category in which your child is placed). The box allowing you to state reasons is there because the Admissions Code tells councils they must give you a space for this. However, the information you give there doesn't form any part of the decision making process.

If you have strong medical or social reasons for your child needing a particular school, put that in even if the school doesn't give priority on those grounds. If there is nowhere else to put the information, put it in the box for your reasons. It won't make any difference but, if you don't get the school, it will allow you to argue that they have acted unreasonably by not giving your child a place.

If the school allocated is over 3 miles away by the shortest safe walking route the council must provide free transport for your child. They do not have to provide transport if you choose a school over 3 miles away, only if you named closer schools and didn't get them. They do not have to provide transport for you to accompany your child. If there is adequate public transport, the free transport could take the form of a bus pass or similar. If your child is disabled or qualifies for free school meals the rules are a little different - you may be entitled to free transport for shorter distances or where you have chosen a school that isn't your nearest. The rules are a bit complex but I'll try to explain them if anyone is in this situation.

At secondary school age, a journey of up to 75 minutes each way is considered reasonable. If the journey is longer than that you will have a good case when appealing for a nearer school.

When the council offers you a place you should accept it. If you reject it they don't have to come up with another offer. You certainly can't force them to give you the school you want by just rejecting everything else. And rejecting the offered place may not go down well with the appeal panel if you choose to appeal for one of your preferred schools.

You should automatically go on the waiting list for any school that is higher preference than the one offered but it is worth checking. Some councils get this wrong.

Whilst the advice above is mainly aimed at parents in England, the system in Wales is similar so it should apply there too. Scotland has a very different system so any Scottish parents should ignore all of the above!

arethereanyleftatall · 12/09/2019 10:14

@prh47bridge
Thank you! Said everyone.

Oblomov19 · 13/09/2019 07:18

Eddie, I will ! Thank you!
But, I attached a self addressed envelope! Grin I assumed the priest sent it back to me and I submitted it to school?

I think that's what happened last time. I can't quite recall.

I've forgotten what I did with Ds1. This is Ds2 I'm doing now.

RedSheep73 · 13/09/2019 07:23

If it's anything like it is here then yes there is a big chance you won't get your choices, and there us no way to game it. You have to look at it as a list of preferences - if there were pla es at all the schools, this is the order you would rank them in. And then you get allocated the nearest school with spaces anyway. Sorry to sound bitter but my dd has just started at the school we didn't want, we've done continuing interest and appeals and it's made no difference at all, geography trumps all.

MildThing · 14/09/2019 08:23

RedSheep sorry you didn’t get a school you were happy with.

“ And then you get allocated the nearest school with spaces anyway”

Yes.... but what people need to remember is that in many areas even the mediocre school on your doorstep gets filled up, and if it is the school that you would get a place in based in geography, then put it down in last place in your list.

Because if you don’t the places will go to everyone who did put it down, and you will be left with the next nearest school that has places. I.e the school that didn’t fill up. Less popular and further away.

Ghostpost · 14/09/2019 08:42

Dd was a 2007/2008 baby boom year. We got both choices and we’re in a really popular area too. We had to turn down one school. But make sure you put down schools in catchment. Make use of the comments box, and write down reasons why your first choice is the right school. Mention social reasons like friends, safer to walk to school with people they know, if your area has children already going there. Saving the environment by walking/cycling. They take all these points into consideration.

Mustbetimeforachange · 14/09/2019 09:58

You can't be allocated 2 state school places, surely? That's not how it works.

TeenPlusTwenties · 14/09/2019 10:04

Ghost . Most of what you have written is wrong / misleading.

We got both choices and we’re in a really popular area too. We had to turn down one school.

You should/would only have been offered your higher preference even if you qualified for more than 1.

But make sure you put down schools in catchment.

Yes. or at least some 'banker school'

Make use of the comments box, and write down reasons why your first choice is the right school. Mention social reasons like friends, safer to walk to school with people they know, if your area has children already going there. Saving the environment by walking/cycling. They take all these points into consideration.

As explained by prh above they don't use the comments box unless to see whether you should be in a different priority (eg if you didn't mention sibling link but then say your foster child already attends).

CactusAndCacti · 14/09/2019 10:06

The comment box makes no difference, it is literally names put in order, computer says yes/no.

And you do not get two offers, you get an offer from the school which has a place highest on your list of preferences.

Ghostpost · 14/09/2019 23:00

OP, you’ll find loads of advice on here, but please do use the comments box, as it’s there for a reason.

MildThing · 14/09/2019 23:13

“But make sure you put down schools in catchment. Make use of the comments box, and write down reasons why your first choice is the right school. Mention social reasons like friends, safer to walk to school with people they know, if your area has children already going there. Saving the environment by walking/cycling. They take all these points into consideration.”

This is wrong. THEY DO NOT TAKE THESE POINTS INTO CONSIDERATION. IT WOULD BR AGAINST THE LAW TO DO SO. They can ONLY use the criteria published in their Admissions policy,

The only way the comments box might be brought into use is to flag up and double remind them what category from their admissions policy you should be considered under. E.g put that there is an older sibling at the school or that you are including evidence to support an application under SEN.

Ghostpost · 14/09/2019 23:16

Why the fuck are you using capitals?

OP, make use of the comments box. It’s there for a reason. Even to reiterate the selection criteria.

MildThing · 14/09/2019 23:45

Why the fuck shouldn’t I use capitals if I choose to?

But in a long thread it might catch people’s eye and save them from believing the inaccurate bollocks that you have posted. It is really important that people understand the system, the system which is law, and don’t get misled thinking that cycling to school or friends attending will affect their chances of getting a place.

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