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completeloss · 06/09/2019 16:02

NC as this is quite outing, apologies if this is long I’m trying to avoid drip feeding.

DSis is a frequent gambler. When we used to go on family holidays as kids she would always be on the slot machines and become very moody if she lost. She set up online gambling accounts on the day of her 18th birthday (after playing on DParent’s accounts for a few years) and quickly started spending the majority of her part time wage and all of her £2k savings on gambling within a few months.

DS is now 26 and still living at home, I am 4 years younger and moved out at 18 (may be relevant later). Around this time last year I was visiting and DM called a family meeting – DS was hysterically crying, DP’s were angry. I found out that DS had lost track of what she was spending and was £700 into an unarranged overdraft. DP’s refused to pay this as apparently they had bailed her out of £300 a few months prior and she still hadn’t paid the majority of this back. Apparently they have had to do a few times over the years. Nobody told me of this as I tend to be quite fiery when it comes to things like this.

I sat down with DS and although I was frustrated with her, I lent her the money under the terms that she would quit gambling cold turkey and had to pay me back at £100 per week. We worked out a financial plan and everything ran smoothly. I could tell she was genuinely grateful.

This seemed to work great for a few months, she was the happiest I’d seen her, had taken up some old hobbies that she hadn’t done in years too. After around 6-7 months she told me she had started using the sites again, but only small amounts of £10-30 a time (still a lot for me but I’ve never seen the appeal!).

Fast forward to April this year, DP's gave both DS and I £3,000 each which was to be put in our savings accounts and when the time comes put towards house deposits on our first homes. When they put the idea forward I told them to make it clear to DS that this was money not to be spent, and should be put towards finally moving out in the next year or so.

Come to last week, DS and I were sat in my old room and she reveals to me that DP’s had actually only given her £2,500 as she owed them £500. And that she actually had been spending it on gambling, and by June she only had £200 of it left. So she in two months she spent £2,300 plus £1,000 wage (she gets paid £700/month and only pays £200 for board). So in two months she had spent £3,300 on gambling. I felt absolutely sick. She’s quite a sensitive person and all she kept saying was “I don’t want you to be disappointed in me after last time”, which at the time I said I wasn’t, but the fact is I do feel really disappointed in her.

Again, they had all decided not to tell me as they knew I would fly off the handle. DS said she felt like she couldn’t speak to me, so I tried remaining calm and say we would plan out her finances again and she needed to quit gambling. She refused, said she "only" spends around £75-£100 a month on it instead. She has said she will never do it again, but she said that last time, and I know DP's are getting older and could do without the stress of wondering when the next time will be.

It worries me for when DP are not here. We don't have any other family around here so I know I will be the only person who could bail her out. And I don't even want to think about how fast she could spend her inheritance when the time comes.

I don’t even know what to do anymore.

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Latersxx · 06/09/2019 16:08

She is a compulsive gambler, as I am a compulsive gambler.

The debt you know about may well be the tip of the iceberg, and the amount she is claiming to spend may well be untrue.

A compulsive gambler (and I as a slot player), can’t just quit, it’s an addiction. There is a government backed scheme called Gamstop, if you register it blocks access to all gambling sites for up to 4 years.

I can’t express how all consuming a gambling addiction is.. it takes over your capacity to think about anything else, turns you into a liar, and into a really selfish person.

There is a forum on a site called Gamcare, read a few of those stories

AryaStarkWolf · 06/09/2019 16:09

Gambling is a serious addiction like any other, she needs actual professional help with this, not you all bailing her out and she really needs to want to it herself aswell. Best way to help her is to encourage her to join Gamblers Anonymous, don't keep giving her your money

Latersxx · 06/09/2019 16:09

Just to add - I haven’t gambled in 16 months

Dulra · 06/09/2019 16:09

Your sister has a gambling addiction and she has proved herself to be unable to have any money without gambling it away. What possessed your parents to give her £2500 is beyond me it is obvious she would gamble it. You need to all start taking this problem seriously it is an addiction and she needs professional help to stop. Her promises and guarantees mean nothing she's an addict that's what they do to get what they want. You are all very lucky that she hasn't run up more debt then she has

Aquamarine1029 · 06/09/2019 16:09

You shouldn't be "doing" anything. You and your parents are just enabling her by bailing her out. You sister is an addict, no different than an alcoholic or drug addict. The only way she will ever get herself together is when she makes the choice to get help and stop gambling. Your parents should kick her out of their home and you need to stop giving her any kind of financial support.

KurriKurri · 06/09/2019 16:16

It is awful having a gambler in the family - it causes such heartache all round (I was married to one). In my expperience they don;t change unless they really want to - my XH went through all the 'I'll stop' stuff and of course he did for a bit and then it started again with small amounts. I was fro ever sorting out debt and finding out info about organisations that help gamblers but he wouldn't own the problem.
When we finally split up he had £30,000 of gambling debt - I had to fight hard not to be landed with paying any of it (although I did get stuck with a debt of about £4000 which was a loan he'd taken out in my name).

my advice would be to tell your sister you will always support her in any attempt to end her addiction, but you will not bail her out, Ever. You can help her sort out ways of paying off debt, find organizations, that will help her stop, help her find new interests to fill the gap left when she stops gambling, but you can't make her stop, she has to want to do it and once she has stopped she has to understand she can never start again however small the amount.

You are very young, don't let your life be taken over by someone with an addiction, you can love someone but not facilitate their addiction. She needs to understand that money willl never come from you however much she pleads, but you will help her with debt counseliing etc. Otherwise you will lose everything you have trying to rescue her. And unless she really wants to be rescued it will just be endless misery for you.

I'm sorry - it's a horrible thing - I hope you can persuade her to seek help.

completeloss · 06/09/2019 16:25

Thanks for your replies.

I have said that she will need professional help if this happens again, but I probably should have said she needs this now.

I think I am a bit naive to it as I look at it happening 3 times, when deep down I know she will have been bailed out so many more times without my knowledge.

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Aquamarine1029 · 06/09/2019 16:29

I think you should sit down with your parents and have a very big conversation about how all of you are going to manage this. Sadly, I fear your parents are enabling her far more than you even realise. You need to try and get through to them that they are hurting her, not helping.

completeloss · 06/09/2019 16:39

@Aquamarine1029 I agree, they have enabled her for years by transferring her extra money to play with that I don't receive, which means the £50 a week board she pays amounts to nearly nothing. It's probably why she has no concept of money. I will talk to them this weekend.

@Latersxx Thank you for the insight, I will check out the scheme and forum. And congrats on 16 months without gambling.

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Fatted · 06/09/2019 16:45

Echoing what others have said, she needs proper professional help. Not every one shouting at her and throwing money at her. I think you and your parents really need to let her learn the hard way the consequences of her actions.

Homemadearmy · 06/09/2019 16:54

I've been through this recently with a family member. It's a really hard addiction to beat. We found gamblers annonomous meetings very helpful. But her starting point must be that she admits she can't control it and wants help.

Drum2018 · 06/09/2019 16:56

She clearly needs professional help. But she needs to firstly accept that she has a problem and then accept that help. Otherwise there is no point. All your parents can do is stop funding her. Op do not bail her out again. You are young and have your own life to live. She is not entitled to be a burden on you. You have a choice to say no if she needs money. Don't be like your parents, enabling her addiction. You should talk to them and help them understand that your Dsis has a serious problem which cannot be ignored.

NiceLegsShameAboutTheFace · 06/09/2019 17:02

Just to add - I haven’t gambled in 16 months

Just wanted to say well done. It's tough; really tough Flowers

IamWaggingBrenda · 06/09/2019 17:12

Stop giving her money, for a start. She has a home and presumably your parents are willing to feed her, whether she contributes or not. Your parents need to stop bailing her out, and I would get them some information about gambling addiction, so they realize her “promising to stop”, however much she wants to believe she will, isn’t going to happen until she gets professional help. Tell your parents to not allow her to gamble on their accounts (not sure how they work, but I assume she needs some sort of password, so change it and don’t let her know it). If she gets herself in more debt, do not bail her out, do not ‘lend’ her money. She is an adult and she may get herself into a giant hole of debt with her own money, but no one can stop her doing this, except her. Ultimately, as with any addict, you cannot do anything for her, other than not enabling her and if she seeks help, supporting her in her efforts.

Drogosnextwife · 06/09/2019 17:23

There is no point in telling a gambling addict not to spend their money on gambling. Its like telling an alcoholic not to drink and giving them a bottle of whisky to keep in their house.

completeloss · 07/09/2019 12:08

As I say I've probably been very naive but I really didn't think she would gamble away the savings money. I spoke to DP's last night and they already have decided never to give her money like that again. We're going to have a sit down the three of us and discuss what other changes we can make to stop enabling her, and how we can get her help. Although she doesn't seem to want the help herself, so I'm not sure if we can do much if she says no.

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