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AIBU to go no contact with my mum?

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doradiamond · 05/09/2019 02:23

Long Post Ahead. Thank you in advance if you take the time to read this.

I've recently made the hard decision to remove my mother from my life. Throughout my childhood and adulthood, she was difficult. My earliest memory is at the age of two where she would slap me every time I made a mistake while reading. She'd tell me I wasn't allowed to cry because every time I did, a baby drowned in my eyes.

When I hit puberty, things only got worse. If I came second instead of first in a school exam, I would be slapped and told I was stupid. When I got my first boyfriend at 15 years old, she called me a slt and a whre. When she found out I had sex, she took me to an abandoned car park and beat the crap out of me. She said that it was her right to do so and that if I ever told my dad, she'd lock me up in a mental institution. When I started self-harming and my dad tried to help me, she'd stand in the background and say, "Just let her do it. She's a waste of space anyway." She put bars on the windows and would double-bolt the house so I couldn't go out whenever she left. She'd make me clean the house while she watched TV and played games. Whenever she was mad at me, she'd say that my sister was her favourite daughter or her only daughter.

When I got older and moved out, things got a little bit better because she could no longer hit me. But she'd do things like come over to my house (my parents had a spare key) when I wasn't there and rearrange all my things because I "didn't do it right". When I broke up with a longterm partner and told them, she sent me an email the next morning saying how much it hurt her and how she'd spent the whole night crying. When we went out for family dinners, she would joke about how she would whip us and laugh about it.

I've had years and years of therapy to come to terms with this. My dad (although not a perfect man) did the best he could but was often away for work so that he could support us. He blames himself because, even though my mother was supplied with two maids and a driver, he feels he should have done more.

My mother... I know she had a tough upbringing. I know she never learned the healthy ways to express her emotions. I know she did the best she could, with the tools she had. I accept that her behaviour was unacceptable but that it was also the result of being abused herself. I also know that she will not go to therapy or get professional help. Although I think she needs to see a professional, I understand that doing so is incredibly difficult for her because it would mean she has to admit that she might be at fault. I understand that at her age, it would require her to completely remake who she is. I understand that's hard for her.

However, at a recent family dinner, my mother denied all the abuse ever happening. This was something that hit me hard. I accept who she is and what she did. I can't accept her denying it ever happened. So I blew up. I yelled and shouted. I'm not proud of my behaviour. It was the wrong time and place to do it. I regret the amount of stress it put on my father who is already struggling with failing vision and poor health (I said sorry to him).

However, after this, I made the decision that although I acknowledge my mother's behaviour, although I forgive her for what she's done, I just can't put myself in these situations anymore. I can't be around her because it kills me to pretend everything is ok. I know my mother never loved me, because I honestly think she's incapable of loving someone other than herself (she's never told my dad she loves him and has never said sorry). I've accepted this, even though it hurts.

But now, after the decision to go no contact, I'm grieving. I'm mourning the loss of the mother I never had, that I should have had, and I'll never have. I wish I'd had mother who was there for me even when times were tough. I wish I'd had a mother who told me, "you're good enough". I wish I'd had a mother who told me she was proud of me. I wish I had a mother who I could turn to for advice. My mother in law is an amazingly kind and compassionate woman. I know she loves me (and I love her) but it's just not the same.

I'm terrified of people telling me, "your mother did the best she could" and "your mother still loves you". I feel so guilty because I think my mother will take this and lash out at my dad - she's blamed him in the past for "turning me against her" even though he has never said anything but kind words about her and always urges me to forgive her.

I know that society thinks that mothers should always be respected. I know there will be people who urge me to put our differences aside because she isn't getting any younger. AIBU for wanting to protect myself emotionally and mentally?

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Winterlife · 05/09/2019 02:49

I think it would be better to cut her off once your father is gone.

My grandmother used to hit my father with a switch when he misbehaved. He, and his siblings, used to have to go out and cut the switch. If it wasn’t big enough they had to find another one.

My grandmother denied hitting her children. I was an adult when my father told her that was BS, and recounted his beatings. I truly believe my grandmother remembered things the way she wanted. Perhaps your mother is the same.

I don’t think cutting her off is a mistake if that’s what you need for your own mental health, but I do think you need to consider your father.

Missangrypants · 05/09/2019 03:24

@Winterlife

I disagree that the OP should try and wait until her father is gone.

OP you have put up with so much, hoping that your mother would one day show you some love. Enough though. It's time you walked away before she ruins anymore years of your life.

Your father will have to rely on your sister. Or you can arrange to see him when your mother isn't around. Your father wasn't there for you when all the abuse was happening. He has some culpability in what happened to you. You must see that.

Please do not feel guilty about having no contact with you mother. You can't really begin the healing process when she is still around you.

doradiamond · 05/09/2019 04:14

Thanks to the both of you for replying. To put a little bit more context:

I've spoken to my dad about the abuse (he never knew it was happening because he was away for work) and he's apologised for not realising how bad it was. He's also told me that he thought about divorcing her many times but he was worried that he wouldn't get custody of us (there are three of us). I know that, as my dad, he should have been more proactive about protecting me, but I also understand that he didn't fully understand how severe the abuse was.

@Winterlife i AM considering my father and that's why it's so hard. After that blowup at dinner, she got into a big fight with him about how he never defends her and then she packed up her bags and left for a week without telling anyone where she was going or for how long. In the meantime, my dad has severe issues with his glaucoma and was in and out of hospitals when she left him, so my husband and I stepped up and changed our schedules so that we could take him to his appointments, sit with him, check up on him etc.

He told me that mum now won't let him have any friends over (she doesn't like other people in their house) and tells him that he should be grateful she does so much for him (she cancelled her golf game so she could take him to the hospital instead of him getting a taxi). My husband and I have spoken and told my dad that he is welcome to move in with us at any time and that we will take care of him. (We live in a 1 bedroom house but are planning to upsize soon). However, he also doesn't want to abandon my mother as he still does love her.

I guess, I'm wondering, at what point does enough become enough. My parents are both in their early seventies and could realistically live another 20 years. I don't know if I can put up with another 20 years of this.

Unfortunately, relying on my siblings isn't an option. I'm the youngest of three (my brother and sister are about a decade older than me and have children) but my older siblings either live in a different country or overseas.

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doradiamond · 05/09/2019 04:16

Ugh sorry, different state or overseas.

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titnomatani · 05/09/2019 04:37

Your post makes for painful reading @doradiamond. I had a sh*tty childhood too but it continued to get worse as I got older (narcissistic siblings). NC is the only way. My mum was wonderful but my dad was as you describe your mother to be. Look up 'narcissistic mothers+daughters' online. Whilst I understand your love and concern for your father, you can't take responsibility for his choice to put up with your mothers abusive behaviour(s). He was/is a fully grown adult (albeit with medical needs atm) and has the option to make some much-needed changes but he chooses not to for an easier/convenient life. You've already offered him the option of 'escape' so to speak but if he doesn't take that up, then that's ultimately up to him. I'd say withdraw, keep channels of communication open between you and your dad but completely ghost your mother- she seems to be using you as fuel to fulfil whatever fantasy she has in her sick, twisted mind. Oh, and this is years and years of counselling talking. Take back control and focus on yourself. It's a long journey ahead... like you, I have this image of a perfect family and have bent over backwards to make that a reality but I've realised my siblings are emotionally weak/stunted, insecure, fragile humans who will happily tread on anyone and anything to convince themselves that the problem lies with others and not them. Despite LC, I keep falling back into wanting contact with my siblings but each episode of me doing so makes me thank my lucky stars I've got my own (happy) life to get back to and not get drawn into their abusive cycles. I've decided NC is the only way.

user764329056 · 05/09/2019 04:41

As someone who is NC with mother I support your decision and think you will feel better for taking this step , I too grieve for the mother I should have but we can never change the reality of who they are, good luck xx

barryfromclareisfit · 05/09/2019 04:42

Have a hug from an old-school viper. Sounds like you need one.

She’s a cow, you can’t change her, go NC. Definitely protect yourself.

DrMartenswillcunow · 05/09/2019 06:49

@doradiamond I have been NC for a while now. My mum still thinks I will move on and get things 'back to normal'. I also understand the grief you feel, when I made the decision, following something very trivial and typical in the grand scheme of things, it felt like I was grieving.
I can honestly say that it is the nest decision I have made. It was difficult as she often uses money to control people and losing that safety net was tough. But she always thinks I will change my mind when I 'need' her and let her back in.
I won't. I have moved on and accepted it. I dont feel guilty or duty bound to have her in my life just because she is my mother.
Be prepared to be the 'bad' child and for her to attempt to influence those around you.

TrueRefuge · 05/09/2019 07:19

She sounds absolutely awful. The grief is very natural; I've just done the same with my Dad and although I felt prepared I am definitely grieving. You might like to join in on the Stately Home threads, it's very supportive and people share very similar experiences and resources that can help you through tough times Flowers

Your Dad, I'm sorry to say, sounds like a classic enabler, and you might need to prepare yourself for your relationship souring as the NC sets in, as your Mum will probably be raging at you having an opinion of your own.

Well done for being so brave and setting some boundaries. Your childhood sounds brutal.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3677536-But-we-took-you-to-Stately-Homes-August-2019-onwards-thread

LoveThatJazz · 05/09/2019 07:34

I had a very similar upbringing, OP. I did go NC for a while (2 years) which seemed to frighten her into realising I had power/autonomy too.

We are in contact now but I have very strict boundaries. Whenever she said anything nasty or behaved inappropriately I would literally walk off, without a word. It took a few times of doing this before she realised I wouldn't accept her abuse anymore.

She also had an awful childhood and never learned to regulate her emotions. She still doesn't think she did anything wrong but I've long accepted that.

I get what I can out of the relationship (coffee, shopping trips, chatting about holidays) but it's not a mother-daughter bond. I don't discuss anything too personal and generally only meet her in public places. She's AWFUL if she's on her home turf!

You would be VERY reasonable to go NC, but I suppose I'm posting to say that isn't the only option IF you wanted to have contact.

Now the relationship is on my terms, I've gained confidence and self esteem - it's healing to finally feel like the adult I am and protect that hurt, abused inner child that will likely always be a part of me.

I did have CBT which helped me come to terms with the past, if you wanted to consider therapy I'd recommend it.

doradiamond · 05/09/2019 09:15

@titnomatani Thank you for sharing your experience. I didn't want to label my mother as a narcissist as I know that's a term that's thrown around a lot these days. However, I will say that she DEFINITELY has narcissistic tendencies. I agree that it's hard to let go of that image of a happy family, but I hope to build my own family one day and give my kids the happy upbringing I never had.

@barryfromclareisfit I have no idea what an old-school viper is but I welcome the hug! Thank you!

@DrMartenswillcunow I am definitely worried and wary about being labelled the "bad child" because I'm daring to rock the boat rather than keep the peace. Is there anything that helped you get through that? My siblings have a much better relationship with her because she provides free childcare for them, but my husband and I have already decided that we don't want our children around her. Firstly, because I don't want them to think her way of treating people is acceptable or normal. Secondly, because she doesn't listen to parents' instructions about bedtimes or meals. And thirdly, because she will actively badmouth the parents in front of the kids (eg. she whispers to my nephew "your mother is useless, she can't do anything right etc.)

@TrueRefuge Thank you so much for the link - I've just had a look and will definitely be reading more on that. It already looks very helpful! I agree that my dad has enabled her. I've outright said to him that his wife is the reason none of his children are close as he'd like us to be. However, he has made his own choices and while I may not support them, I understand them and I can still love him nevertheless.

@LoveThatJazz I've actually tried low contact for the past 5 years and am only now realising that even that is too much. I completely agree with therapy though! I've had a psychiatrist and psychotherapist since I was about 21, and have scheduled a catch-up appointment with my psychiatrist to decompress after this latest development. To be honest, it's only because I've had years of therapy (CBT, DBT and talk therapy) that I can even talk about this in a slightly rational manner. Thank you for sharing your story and experience though.

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WorkerBee83 · 05/09/2019 09:55

YNBU to go NC with your mother, yes she gave birth to you but that doesn’t mean she can treat you like that or use you as a punch bag! Sending you a big hug and I hope you can find comfort in the love of your MIL. Did she treat all your siblings this way or just you xxx

DrMartenswillcunow · 06/09/2019 18:01

@doradiamond
Part if what has helped me is that my siblings completely get why I went NC. There is no judgement from them. Other family members don't mention it but are understanding doing that I wont be at family events and I see them separately. The fact that they do this tells me they see her how she really is.
Honestly, I decided that my mental health was more important to me than a relationship with my mother. I am pretty good at burning bridges but there were a few times it would have been easier to let her back in. Anyone with an opinion that I am in the wrong clearly doesn't know me well enough, so they're opinions count for nothing.

eladen · 06/09/2019 18:45

I'm confused how your siblings receive free childcare from her if they live in different countries?

madcatladyforever · 06/09/2019 18:54

Im so sorry for you OP, I'm trying to decide what to do myself and the NC decision is really really tough as there are other siblings involved who think their parents are amazing.
My mother knew my stepfather sexually abused me and was violent but did nothing.
Now she wants to pretend nothing happened at all and I am being hysterical or got the wrong end of the stick, or it was a joke, or I'm lying....take your pick.
I should but still cant bring myself to go NC becuse I know I'll never see my half siblings or nieces and nephews again.
I've moved miles away so I can only see them once a year.
Maybe don't see her but keep in touch by email only, that's what I do now.

WorldEndingFire · 06/09/2019 20:49

I've had similar experiences. You've held out far longer than I ever could have and I admire how hard you've tried. The denial and refusal to get help is the worst. There comes a time to accept it may never change though. Protect yourself, you have given enough.

saoirse31 · 07/09/2019 07:59

Dont understand the childcare thing if your siblings live in different countries? Apart from that, def go no contact but dont expect your dad to stand up to her to stay in contact with you.

doradiamond · 09/09/2019 00:48

Sorry for the lack of replies... we had some dramas over the weekend...

@WorkerBee83 thank you for your kind words. My siblings are 12 and 8 years older than me so we weren't together at the same time for a lot of our upbringing. However, I know my brother was heavily abused by her (he was whipped regularly). My sister has always been a lot more happy-go-lucky than either of us so I'm not sure if she experienced the same level of abuse.

@eladen Sorry if I wasn't clear. My sister lives in another state so my parents go to see her regularly (about once a month). They stay with her for about a week at a time in her house and look after her kids whenever my sis and her husband want to go on holiday. My brother is in a different country and his kids are a lot older now, but when the kids were younger, my parents also provided childcare.

I've mentioned above the reasons why I wouldn't let my mother alone with any future children we have. I mentioned that to my sister and she sort of laughed and said, "You'll change your mind when you realise they offer free childcare". But no amount of free childcare could convince me to put my children in a potentially dangerous situation.

@madcatladyforeer I'm so sorry for what happened to you.. that's so wrong and so hurtful. How do you handle seeing her on those rare occasions?

@WorldEndingFire thank you so much. Your support means the world.

@saoirse31 - sorry I didn't explain it clearly but I've answered above about the childcare situation. I understand my dad is in a horrible position. I would never ask him to choose between his wife and his daughter because that's not fair to him. But I've told him that he is always welcome in our house and to catch up - we'll even go to pick him up and bring him over here.

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