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I want to tell my son to leave

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sippingteaquietly · 03/09/2019 10:38

This is going to be long, I was just to put everything down so as not to drip feed as to why I feel like this. I’m hoping someone will tell me I’m being unreasonable and give me other ways to deal with this as I feel a terrible mother.

My oldest son is 22. When he was younger he was a lovely boy, he and I were very close we would have a laugh and he would talk to be about anything. He has always been very immature for his age.

He left school at 18 and went to college. His dad and I were very surprised he wanted to go to college because he hated school and wasn’t very academically, however, we supported him with his choice.

He met a girl when he was 19 and he started to change towards us, he was really cheeky, he would be quite disrespectful, he wouldspend his college money and wages from his job on rubbish, ie crisps, sweets, take away food and also give his then girlfriend money and spend it going to see her (she lives quite a bit away), then ask us for money. Eventually we told him we weren’t giving him money, the bank of mum and dad was closed, so he would then sit back and say “well that’s fine then if I don’t have money I can’t go to college or go to work”.

He wasn’t looking after himself at all, he has a very bad skin condition and wouldn’t apply his creams and ointments, his room became a rubbish tip, rotting food lying about dirty clothes lying in the room, and the smell from the room was disgusting. He would never clean it, at first I did it, however, i stopped, thinking he would clean it himself (he used to clean it himself) but he never did.

He eventually left college (said he couldn’t do the course, it was too hard) so we told him he would need to get a job. He wouldn’t look for a job, said he was looking but when we asked him for proof of this, he wouldn’t show us (we asked because we didn’t think he was looking), in the end a family member who works for a recruitment agency got him some work, but it was on an as and when required basis. He has been doing this for the last 3 years. He can go for a few months without any work, but he won’t claim benefits??

He moved in with his girlfriend for a few months, and to be honest, we were very relieved as the atmosphere in the house with him was horrible, however, he and his girlfriend fell out, so he moved back home. Before he actually moved back, my husband (sons dad) and myself sat him down and told him he could only move back in if he was respectful to us. He said he was sorry for the way he was in the past, and agreed he needed to change.
He changed for a couple of months, now he is back to the way he was before. He has a new girlfriend so I’m not sure if this is the reason why his behaviour has changed again.

We asked when we would be meeting his new girlfriend he told us we wouldn’t be, he has already told his girlfriend we are very judgemental!!!! When I asked him why he thought this about us, he said because we pulled him up about his swearing on Facebook????? He blocked his dad and I on Facebook because he was using foul offensive language and we told him to tone his language down as it was embarrassing, and to delete his dads workmates off his facebook page???? No idea why he wanted to add his dads workmates who he didn’t know on Facebook and no idea why his dads workmates accepted him???

Last night was the last straw, he asked me to put his medication cream on his back he went to sit on a footstool, but lifted the stool up to move it closer to me, and he he went to sit the stool down, he also sat on it at the same time, but he had placed it over my toes, therefore he had sat on the stool with all his weight and hurt my toe. He didn’t meant to do this, but when I happened, i pushed him off and started to cry as my toe was very sore (this morning I cannot move it, it is very red and swollen so I might need to go to hospital as I can’t put shoes on). When the incident happened, my son got very defensive and started saying I’ve not broken your toe behave yourself. I told him he doesn’t know if my toe is broken, he said we would have heard the bone snap. He then said to me, “I bet you go and tell dad I assaulted you”. I said don’t be so silly why would I do that, he then said “I wouldn’t put it past you”?????
This is because in the past, he threw a key at my face and one time he stood up to me when I told him to mind his language round about his younger (11 &9 yr old) siblings. All these things happen when my husband (his dad) isn’t in the house, and of course I do tell my husband and when this happens he sees my husband is angry and my husband speaks to him about this. In the past my husband has said he wants to put him out the house, but I’ve always been the one to not follow through with this, but now, after last night I actually feel like just telling him to go. I think he would go to his grans but I don’t know how long she would let him stay with her for.

I’m sorry this is long, but I’m actually crying because I feel like this. I’m not sure where we have went wrong. My daughter who is 20 has spoken to him and said he is being unreasonable and disrespectful us and we have only ever done the very best for him, but he tells her to shut up and doesn’t listen. Even his gran and aunt have told him the way he speaks to me is terrible and his ex girlfriend told him the way he spoke to me was unacceptable and he needed to take a good look at himself.

I don’t know what to do. Am I a bad mum for feeling like this?

OP posts:
KarmaStar · 03/09/2019 13:02

Flowersso sorry for your troubles op.
You are not a bad mum!
Your d's needs to grow up and I feel you telling him to leave will do him good.
Once he stands on his own two feet(sorry to say that when your toe hurts)he will grow up and have to be responsible for himself rather than throwing tantrums knowing dm will protect him.
Well that's over now.no second chances.tell him to leave by x date and don't enter any conversations about it again.
Has he considered or shown any interest in the Army?
If you feel he will also take advantage of his gran then he must not be allowed to go there,it would just be a home from home and teach him nothing.
Hard as it may be,you must not weaken.
Good luck.

mbosnz · 03/09/2019 13:56

He told you, his mother to 'behave yourself'?

Yes, he needs to go. He needs to learn his true place in the world. This will be the one he earns for himself.

If he is allowed to impose on his Gran (and I'm sorry, I'd be worried about the potential for elder abuse), then you need to keep a close eye on it, and it needs to be very clearly for a finite period, while he gets himself a job and saves hard for a flatshare deposit.

spongemumnudiepants · 03/09/2019 14:01

Hi op
I'm sorry you're having such a rough time with your son. Yes You should make him leave. He is an adult now and needs a figurative or even a physical kick up the backside into reality. I'm sorry but he sounds awful. You could always ask the police to remove him if you think he will become violent or make a scene.

Richymondo · 03/09/2019 14:02

Another one here telling you he needs to go. I've just been talking to a close friend about her BIL who was never told "No" by his darling mother and has turned into a controlling manipulative man. Your son is old enough to stand on his own two feel, and old enough to change. It's too late for my friend's BIL who's never really achieved anything in his life because he's been brought up to believe he can do exactly what he likes. Not entirely surprisingly other people don't dote on this behaviour the way his mother does. Tell him you love him, but he needs to sort himself out.

AryaStarkWolf · 03/09/2019 14:02

Yep agree with the PPs, he needs to go. If you keep putting up with it, he will keep treating you the same way. He shouldn't be rewarded for rbeing having like a scumbag

Notthebloodymustardcushion · 03/09/2019 14:09

Off he fucks OP! sorry, but the above described behaviour from a grown man, would be a red line for me! It’s heart wrenching to have to decide this about your own Son, but that is parenting, knowing when the time is right to push them out of the nest is the absolute worst but sometimes most important part of that. He needs to go and learn self responsibility and you need a break from his dreadful behaviour. It’s the only way he will ever learn sadly.

Flowers
TartanCurtains1 · 03/09/2019 14:10

He may have a chance of growing up and taking responsibility for himself if you kick him out -if you let him stay nothing will change, so the sooner the better really. And I agree with PP, I'd not let him stay with your mum - again, nothing will change unless he is forced to.

On a side note, if it's not a big toe, there isn't anything they can do if you've broken a toe so no point going to the doc - you need to strap it up with the one next to it and ice it periodically. I've broken two and can empathise!!

IsobelRae23 · 03/09/2019 14:23

I would not allow him to stay with his gran. He treats you like this...... how is he going to treat her? No way!

Millie2017 · 03/09/2019 14:42

I’m guessing I’m a bit younger then you as my DC are 4 and 1 but I didn’t want to read and run.
I’d suggest going to hospital and getting your toe x rayed, so you know what you are dealing with. This was an accident and you need to separate it from the other issues.
If I were in your shoes I’d be giving him a time frame and detailing the changes I wanted to happen. In a clear and calm way. If he fails to turn it around by that date, then follow through and ask him to leave.
And I doubt very much you’re a bad mum. Otherwise you would have kicked him out without a second thought a long time ago.

Penners99 · 03/09/2019 15:11

He need to go, now.

SuzieQ10 · 03/09/2019 18:58

Horrible situation for you. Agree he should move out but where are you expecting him to go? Will he be able to find a deposit for a flat and a guarantor.. is there a relative he can stay with while saving? Are you able to help him with this. The council would be unlikely to assist him as a 22year old single without severe medical.

athenagoddessofwar · 03/09/2019 19:42

If he can't be respectful to you, he can't stay. He's not a child.

sippingteaquietly · 03/09/2019 20:11

Thank you everyone for replying, i feel so terrible.

I have been up to the hospital, (it’s my big toe that suffered the injury), it isn’t broken, but badly bruised and very swollen.

I told my husband what he said about me saying he abused me, and my husband has read him the riot act. I’ve never seen my husband so angry with him. I’m going to have to sit down and speak to my husband to see what we can do. My son certainly doesn’t have any money to put down a deposit for a flatshare, he only works 4 hours a day and sometimes the only 2 days a week he works.

The thing with him staying with his gran, he adores his gran and would do anything for her so I don’t think he would be abusive to her. Everyone who meets him says he’s a lovely boy and a credit to us. It just seems to be with me and his dad (especially me)that he has a problem??

I know the incident last night was an accident, it was just the way he acted after happened and what he said that really hurt me.

Thanks again for your advice and for letting me know I’m not being unreasonable wanting him to move out.

OP posts:
Ohmygod123 · 03/09/2019 20:48

His behaviour is awful. Perhaps if he moved out and had his own space away from his parents he wouldnt take you both for granted! I think he needs his own space, he also needs to sort out a proper job Wtf is he doing only working 4 hours a day or 2 days a week, ridiculous.

Mumtotwo82 · 05/09/2019 08:05

Your son seems to have no respect for his mum and dad and you seem to be very loving, supportive but not walk over parents. He needs to learn some tough love. I would agree with your husband about time he left. He shows so little respect to you. I don't see what else you can do if he is not changing.

Weezol · 05/09/2019 08:14

My son certainly doesn’t have any money to put down a deposit for a flatshare, he only works 4 hours a day and sometimes the only 2 days a week he works.

It's his choice to work so little and it's been enabled by Mum and Dad. Does he not have to pay board?

It's time he faced the consequences of his actions and took responsibility for himself. He needs to go.

NearlyGranny · 05/09/2019 08:55

Out he goes! Adult bird pushed over the edge of the nest he's fouled and made uninhabitable for the nest-builders is how I see it.

Now, obviously he has nowhere immediately he can go (except Gran, and I wouldn't, he will misbehave there once it's home) so an 'eviction notice', clearly worded, might do it. A date by which he must be gone - three months gives him time to seek full-time employment and save a deposit - and binding him to keep clean and behave calmly and politely when in the house in the interim. Meantime, do not cook, clean, launder or do anything for him that an adult can do for himself. You could collect board money to cover household running costs and any food he eats and even squirrel it away in an account for him to help with a deposit, but don't tell him if you do this!

If he doesn't sign up he can go immediately. It's an ultimatum. End date non-negotiable. No being drawn into discussion. It's your home and he's making it unbearable.

Oh, and no coming back to live under your roof once he's gone. Redecorate his room and move a sibling in. Invitation only stay overs, like Christmas, say, and give him a Zbed or something in the smallest bedroom which you'll've turned into an office or craft space or home gym. No partner invites!

Good luck and heave-ho for tough love!

KUGA · 05/09/2019 09:15

Get his clothes together and put them on the front door step.
And change the door locks.
Hes an adult and until he starts to respect you and your D H he can stay away and tell your DPS not to take him in.
So sorry if this sounds harsh but you've given him a great life and he has thrown it back in all of your faces.
Dont let him hurt you anymore than he has. Being a parent isnt easy at the best of times but to be treated like that is unforgivable.
My heart goes out to you.

FluffyHippo · 05/09/2019 09:42

In a practical sense, if he's on a zero-hour contract (and it sounds like he is), he should sign on for Universal Credit.

This will give him money to top up his wages when he does work - the Taper Rate means that for every £1 you earn, your Universal Credit payment reduces by 63p so you still get something - and give him more money when he's not working.

Making him financially independent of you means that you can tell him to move out without feeling guilty (it seems that.guilt plays a large part in this situation). He's 22, for God's sake - stop infantalising him and tell him to stand on his own two feet.

ColaFreezePop · 30/09/2019 14:16

As PPs have said yes get him to leave.

Once he's independent he will get a better paid job.

Oh and refuse to be his guarantor for any rent, if necessary loan him the deposit so he's out of your house.

Make sure you write an email stating it is a loan and he has 24 months to pay it back. Don't expect it back but if he doesn't pay it, then he never gets any money at all from you ever. Birthday and Christmas gifts will just be token presents of no monetary value.

StormBaby · 30/09/2019 14:21

I couldve written that post! My eldest son is 20 and he causes me untold amounts of worry and stress because he just will not grow up! He makes me ill.

19lottie82 · 30/09/2019 14:24

Can you afford to put down a deposit and a months rent on a bedsit or flatshate for him, just to get him out? Then he has a month to get more hours or sign on for universal credit?

raspberryk · 30/09/2019 14:24

I'm not surprised he is acting like a child when you treat him like one.
You can't micromanage a 22 year old adults Facebook, if you're like that about him swearing on SM then i do wonder what else you do.
This sounds all very one sided and I'll bet it's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other in reality.

Aquamarine1029 · 30/09/2019 14:32

Please, please do not inflict him upon his Grandmother!! He will only take advantage of her. Tell him he has one month to make arrangements to move out, and set the date in stone. Once he's gone, change the locks. You are NOT a bad mum, op. Not at all.

AlexaAmbidextra · 30/09/2019 14:38

Is his gran truly happy to have him? My poor friend has had her very disturbed adult grandson dumped on her as neither of his parents want him. He is leading her an absolute dog’s life with his abusive behaviour.