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To not try again with DB?

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Biancadelrioisback · 31/08/2019 15:20

Backstory:
My brother is 2 yrs older than me. We grew up privileged, in a nice area with very lovely parents, wanted for nothing. He was always very academic, always had top marks in science and maths, played football and was quite good, relatively attractive so no problems with finding girlfriends etc. I was more arty, loved writing and performing, good singer etc. We went to different schools (single sex) yet he was always in competition with me. I was still good at school and always had really good but not always top marks which he used to rub in my face, calling me thick etc. He just has a very nasty streak. If he could hurt me, he would. As he's very clever, he was very good at doing this subtlety and wearing me down over many years. As an example, when I would dress up for an occasion, he would side eye me and snort/laugh then just turn his back on me. I would call him out all the time but again, because it was always subtle, he could deny it or make it seem like I was overreacting. But this was constant.

When he went to uni, my life was much better, I had freedom and he was gone. He was quite nasty to my DM too, he would ignore her calls and texts all the time, told all his mates that she was really annoying and pathetic, but she loves him so when he did bother with her, she was almost grateful. He studied an academic subject at a very prestigious uni and did very well, went on to get his PHD and now has a successful, well paid career. I studied an arty subject at uni (still got into a good one!) and went on to be a wedding and events planner for a number of years. He mocked and belittled my course and later, my career whenever I saw him. He would always put me down wherever he could and caused issues between me and my friends/boyfriends. He told my first long term boyfriend that I was cheating on him and had 'proof' which was completely fabricated.
Now I always have been a very confident person, I call out shitty behaviour when I witness it, I've always had lots of friends and a great social life, I've taken lots of big risks and made some crazy choices but I've had a great life off the back of it. He has always played it safe, only had a couple of friends who he isn't close to and treats his wife appallingly.

So now, I have a 2yr old DS with my DH. DB, when I first had DS, started trying to plant the idea in DHs head that DS wasn't his. Saying things like "baby doesn't look anything like Bianca, or you. He actually looks a lot like X, don't you think?"
Now DH isn't stupid and basically told DB to do one.
We bought our first house recently and my parents very generously gave us half the deposit. We are a low earning household despite both DH and I working full time so we would never have been able to save up that money on our own. DB went mad and demanded the same money from our parents even though he didn't need it. My parents also help us with childcare and he has now asked my parents to give him the same amount they save us in childcare fees to make things 'fair'.
Very recently, there was a family get together for my parents 'big' wedding anniversary so obviously DH, DS and I were there.
DB has had nothing to do with DS before but he was actually great with him. DS loved his uncle and they played together the whole time almost. I was hesitant but thought that it was good that they have a good relationship even though I don't have one with DB. At the end of the day, my DS told me I was stupid and thick. He's never said this before. I suspect my DB was saying this to him to stir some shit. When I told DS off for things (playing with food etc) DB would undermine me and do silly things like stick his tongue out at me, so obviously DS copied.

It recently came out that DB is suffering with depression and is seeing a therapist and taking medication, apparently he was toying with the idea of suicide. My DM has approached me and told me I need to be the bigger person and make an effort with my DB in order to help him.
Tbh, I don't want to. I have nothing to do with him unless I absolutely have to, and I don't want that to change. I don't want him in my life. I don't really want him around DS. DH doesn't like him either. My DM has practically begged me as she can't face losing her son which I fully understand.
I just don't know what to do.

(Have changed some details as anyone who knows me IRL would recognise me from this I think)

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Biancadelrioisback · 31/08/2019 20:28

Nocause this is exactly why I'm not stressing myself out that DS will be an only child. I could have more but can't financially. I have loads of friends who say they couldnt just have one but my brother is proof that 2 don't necessarily mean they'll actually be any happier

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Butterymuffin · 31/08/2019 20:28

No one that toxic would come anywhere near my child ever again. Are you sure your DS isn't exposed to time with your brother while your mum looks after him? I would want to be very clear that that crosses a line.

cakeandchampagne · 31/08/2019 20:30

When you were a child, your parents didn’t protect you from his abuse. And as a child, there wasn’t much you could do to protect yourself.
Now you need to protect your child (& yourself) from this very disturbed person, who happens to be your brother.

isadoradancing123 · 31/08/2019 20:31

It seems that he has a very evil streak and always has had even as a child. Genuine depression does not present in this way

Ifyousayso2019 · 31/08/2019 20:42

He sounds horrid. Mental illness or not, he sounds like he gets a kick out of tormenting you. How very sad.

OP I know this has not been mentioned - you say you had a privileged upbringing and that your parents could afford to help you financially... I would worry what he will be like when your parents pass away in terms of inheritance etc, if he is already making these demands while they are alive . I know it’s not nice to think about that, but I would make it known to your parents to be abundantly clear about their wishes and plans to close and trusted family members who can ensure that he doesn’t make your life hell once they are gone

Grumpos · 31/08/2019 20:45

I guess the question is how much are you willing to sacrifice your own mental well being and sanity for the benefit of his?

I have a situation with a sibling, I went NC years ago bc of the lies, manipulation and just general vile behaviour and I was sick of being angry about it all the time.
I wouldn’t put myself in that position now, it may be selfish on my part but I can’t go back to where I was mentally regarding our childhood and family dynamics growing up. I just wouldn’t do it to myself.

EileenAlanna · 31/08/2019 20:47

Tell your DM that if your brother has mental health problems it's important for her to realise & accept that they've been manifesting themselves for many, many years. Show her that his treatment of you when you were only a child through to his manipulation of your DS to hurt you are all part of a pattern & that far from it being a "help" to want you involved it's counter-productive. When/if he's "better" is the time for you to be there.
I'd tell her that much as you love her you've many mental scars from how your brother treated you/still treats you that run very deep & she needs to take that into account. If he needs to recover from some "crisis" he'll only do that by understanding & owning his behaviour, how that impacts on others & then back again onto him.

Biancadelrioisback · 31/08/2019 20:52

Butterymuffin definitely not. He works long hours Monday - Friday so no way could he see DS when my mum has him. He has never shown an interest in him before, that's why his wife comes round to ours to spend time with DS. She's really lovely and can tell she genuinely cares for my son.

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Biancadelrioisback · 31/08/2019 20:58

Ifyousayso he's actually grilled my mam about their wills and who gets what when they die. He was 'joking' that he'll just off DH, DS and I when the time comes so he can have it all.
However, as blinded to him as my mum is, she is also a very smart woman and her will is iron tight. Fortunately due to her former career she has made sure that there can be no disputes. We have a very big extended family with whom we are all very close with (aunts, uncles, cousins etc) so there is no way they would let him screw us over. That's a long story but I can guarantee that.

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magoria · 31/08/2019 20:58

You are so not being unreasonable.

What a vile creature he is. Protect yourself and your DC from him.

Butterymuffin · 31/08/2019 21:01

He sounds more psychopathic than depressed, to be perfectly honest.

BoopBoopedooBoo · 31/08/2019 21:03

He broke your arm.

And he could have killed you if you'd broken your neck.

Please, please write that letter. Perhaps just do it in a matter of fact way, and present it simply, stating it's for factual reference and information purposes, and that it's feeling important to share a list of what he has done over the years and how this affected you, so that your parents can understand and appreciate why you will not be running to be there for such a fucking cunt your brother.

I am so sorry. What a childhood you had Flowers

AmIRightOrAMeringue · 31/08/2019 21:03

Hi OP

Is there any reason that your mum thinks that your brothers depression would somehow be better if you 'made up' with him? Has he expressed any regrets about the situation between you? Has a doctor said it might help? I would go down this route myself - there is no evidence that his relationship with you is contributing to his depression, since it's always been like that and driven by him. And there is no evidence that he wants a better relationship with you. And there is no evidence that a better relationship with you will help in any way.

I agree with PP you are very forgiving of your mum who has essentially sat back and watched you be bullied all your life.

Also it takes a special kind of bastard who thinks its 'funny' to turn a kid against his mother. Even on here when you have posters who have massively fallen out with family they feel regret about the effect it has on young relatives.

Take this with a pinch of salt as I am no psychologist but he sounds borderline dangerous to me. He seems to have it in for you and actually wants to hurt you. He would be in a much better position to do that if he was closer to you and your family

WildRosie · 31/08/2019 21:04

It sounds like this spoiled little shit has been given such a free hand over the years that he's unaware of boundaries and the importance of not crossing them. Consequently he has been free to treat you like dirt. He is now dealing with life giving him a taste of his own medicine. Richly deserved too. You reap what you sow. Keep your distance from him as far as possible. Nobody needs his sort in their life, family or not.

AmIRightOrAMeringue · 31/08/2019 21:05

What does his wife say about his 'depression' and relationship with you?

Biancadelrioisback · 31/08/2019 21:08

What a childhood you had
Thank you. I did have a nice childhood actually. I had lots of great friends, great relationships with extended family. The fact we went to different high schools was good as no one knew him so I was just me. Plus my primary school separated infants and juniors so we were almost always separated at school. He spent so much time in his room on his own after school or revising, whereas I would be out playing or playing with my parents. At family occasions I would be off playing with cousins whereas he would sulk that he'd been forced to come along. In fairness, he used to get teased by my uncles for being a mardy teenager by age 7

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Biancadelrioisback · 31/08/2019 21:13

What does his wife say about his 'depression' and relationship with you?
We don't talk about it. Ever. At first she would try and get us to spend time together. She tried to arrange double dates between all of us but obviously that never happened. A few times she has said something about us both being bad siblings to each other so I'm sure he's told her some bullshit. However, rather than starting yet another war, I decided to just be myself around her so she could see I wasn't some evil bitch. It worked and now we have a lovely relationship but he is not a part of that.

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Inertia · 31/08/2019 21:14

He sounds like a psychopath! It really isn't just sibling squabbling to joke about killing your sister, her husband and their toddler child in order to claim their inheritance.

You're absolutely right to keep your distance.

I would worry about the welfare of any child he has in the future- and to be honest, I'd be more inclined to be there for his wife than for your brother. She probably isn't immune to the way he treats girls and women.

flouncyfanny · 31/08/2019 21:18

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Biancadelrioisback · 31/08/2019 21:19

He does have a twisted sense of humour so no one was surprised by his joke. As I said in OP, he is very, very smart at hiding his digs or making someone feel like it's their fault or they're overreacting. He has a way to squirm into your brain and plant seeds. I'm very fortunate that DH never doubted me.

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QualCheckBot · 31/08/2019 21:28

He sounds like a classic sociopath, right down to the hardly having any friends and the depression and the suicidal thoughts (they make themselves miserable). He also sounds potentially very dangerous and just as likely to harm other people as to harm himself. You must be careful.

Your mum really hasn't done a good job in protecting you from him, especially as a child. She seems to be putting her desire for the perfect family before safety. And I'm sure he is very good for showing a different side to different people, but its not really any excuse for your mum not wising up to him.

His poor wife!

Ghostontoast · 31/08/2019 21:31

I don’t see him apologising to you anytime soon - why do you have to be the bigger person? I wouldn’t write him a letter or even an email - that he could show to other people.

He sounds like a poisonous toad if a person well boohoo if he’s unhappy.

Biancadelrioisback · 31/08/2019 21:32

Oh I have no intention of writing to him.

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Ghostontoast · 31/08/2019 21:33

Of a person

Tara336 · 31/08/2019 21:34

I agree with everything @Graphista says Depression is absolutely no excuse to treat anyone else badly. I have very similar experiences with my DB who I went NC with 9 years ago, he will present a happy go lucky cheeky chappy act to everyone when in fact he is absolutely toxic to be around. My DM recently asked me to resolve my issues with DB when I gave her a list of reasons why I won’t ever have contact with him again she left it alone. My DP had never come across him until a day,ily funeral and again he tried his sublte tricks to try to get me to blow up in front of everyone, I just smiled and walked away thinking sorry not today mate.

I truly believe in a lot of this behaviour it’s jealousy and insecurity that feeds it and then when they get even a negative reaction it’s attention so my DB gets none from me. My life is quite serene now I’m NC other than the odd shitty thing he does in the background but that confirms to me I made the right decision.

I have tried speaking to DM about it she admits he’s been an utter prick to me but follows it up with excuses as he’s her golden boy. DP says basically I’m expecting DM to say she thinks her son is a prick which is never going to happen