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Michaela School and behaviour - AIBU

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herculepoirot2 · 23/08/2019 10:36

AIBU to think that you might read this behaviour policy and think it is authoritarian and unnecessary, but to also think that, with results four times better than the national average, these people might have a point about the benefits to young people of being expected to work hard and behave well?

mcsbrent.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Behaviour-Policy-11.02.19.pdf

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chomalungma · 27/08/2019 08:16

Giving students the facts first and using them in problems is far more useful than spending 40 minutes guessing mean median and mode

It never hurts to give pupils a link to help them remember -

Today we are learning about the median. That's when you put the numbers in order and get the one in the middle. It comes from 'media' - which means 'middle' in Latin - think of 'media' and 'mediate'.

Here are some numbers - work out the mean and the median. Which average is more useful in this context and why?

1,3,5,6,7,7,8,9,100

Job done - gets them working out the mean and median, helps some remember a link to remember the difference and gets them THINKING about why we have different averages.

herculepoirot2 · 27/08/2019 08:16

There's no way Michaela would have got so many 9s without some exploration and linking topics in Maths. The students would have had to think for themselves.

Or in English. They are clearly providing a base of knowledge, to use as a platform for analysis and creation = good teaching

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SmileEachDay · 27/08/2019 08:16

It makes me sad and furious that children's broader talents are not recognised and therefore that they feel 'less'

Is that not a problem with any system with endpoint exams though? That they will by nature be focused around a set of measurable outcomes from a curriculum?
That’s not a Michaela issue, that’s an education system issue I’d have thought.

noblegiraffe · 27/08/2019 08:18

choma you are rather teaching your grandmother to suck eggs, here.

Namenic · 27/08/2019 08:20

KB would probably not object to expanding the curriculum to Latin and Greek, but would be v expensive...

Loads of people say ‘dead languages’ are a waste of time but they do help with word-guessing and memory - even in science: catalyst (loosening), stoma (mouth), photon/photosynthesis (light+ place together). I also learnt more about English grammar by doing it as well as history. Teaching style like michaela would be good for chanting verbs/nouns but class translation would be a bit harder.

Teachermaths · 27/08/2019 08:22

It never hurts to give pupils a link to help them remember

Key word you have used there is give, not discover.

Here are some numbers - work out the mean and the median. Which average is more useful in this context and why?

1,3,5,6,7,7,8,9,100

All well and good for pupils who already know mean, median and mode. For students who don't, they need to learn the difference between them first. The cognitive overload is too much for students who don't know mean, median and mode securely.

I use similar questions to this but with exam scores and house prices to demonstrate why we use different averages.

Chom, you are just describing good teaching, not discovery learning.

chomalungma · 27/08/2019 08:22

you are rather teaching your grandmother to suck eggs, here

That wasn't directed at you.

herculepoirot2 · 27/08/2019 08:22

If Latin and Greek are considered to be more useful than Spanish...

I believe Latin/Greek are useful GCSEs if you are planning on taking Classics, Literature, History on to A Level. I’m not sure hours and hours in the whole curriculum can justifiably be handed over to them.

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chomalungma · 27/08/2019 08:23

Chom, you are just describing good teaching, not discovery learning

LIke I said upthread, maybe discovey wasn't the right word to use.

noblegiraffe · 27/08/2019 08:24

In medias res means 'in the middle of things'.

Interesting! It might be more useful for an English teacher to reference the median when looking at Shakespeare than vice-versa though becuase when we teach it in Y7, they’re unlikely to have read any.

I’ve mentioned mode and fashion before....blank looks.

I’m afraid I have more success with them remembering mean, median and mode through song. Hey diddle diddle, the median’s the middle and so on.

herculepoirot2 · 27/08/2019 08:27

I had to ban in media res.

“The extract begins in media res.

It doesn’t.

“The poet uses in media res.”

She doesn’t.

“The scene begins in media res

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herculepoirot2 · 27/08/2019 08:27

IT DOESN’T!

Sometimes the net effect of giving them terminology is that they stop reading.

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Teachermaths · 27/08/2019 08:30

Was it directed at me Chom?!

I think you have an opinion that we just get students to regurgitate facts. This isn't how lessons work. They start with facts, and build up to the activities you suggest (apart from the pi one!).

The song has a high success rate here too noble!

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 27/08/2019 08:35

I don’t think giving children the definition necessarily means you can’t tell them about the etymology or morphology of the words. I know the meaning of the word mode links to the french because I was told it by my maths teacher not because I was expected to figure it out myself.

In a whole class setting, with a word very few know I’d probably just give the word meaning, with whatever hook might be helpful. Otherwise you have to be careful what you use to get the answer isn’t the answer of the couple of children who knew it anyway. Different if it’s 1:1 or you know the children don’t know they word or already have the knowledge of words with similar etymology that they can use to figure out the meaning.

SmileEachDay · 27/08/2019 08:36

Ah come on maths.

Tell us the song

BelindasGleeTeam · 27/08/2019 08:38

Hey diddle diddle
The medians the middle
You add and divide for the mean
The mode is the one you see the most
And the range is the distance between

BelindasGleeTeam · 27/08/2019 08:39

My lad has been taught this for his 11+ and it stuck!

Piggywaspushed · 27/08/2019 08:41

Hate to correct you but it's in medias res... bugbear of mine...

herculepoirot2 · 27/08/2019 08:42

Piggywaspushed

I don’t mind! I don’t encourage them to use it anyway. It’s virtually meaningless outside a limited number of unprepared extract contexts. There will always be something better to say.

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Piggywaspushed · 27/08/2019 08:43

KB has said she can't recruit a classics teacher, so all that classics in KS3 is being taught by people who only know the bits of the stories they have been told to teach. This us why they can never go off piste in lessons.

Piggywaspushed · 27/08/2019 08:46

It's massively important that Shakespeare begins his plays in medias res and Remains definitely does begin that way....

Have to agree to disagree on that. However , it works just as well to say 'in the middle of things' and then comment in why. Three words us quicker. I do think English teachers have rather enthusiastically appropriated terms which are widely misused and misspelt lately. Mainly because if the new spec.

herculepoirot2 · 27/08/2019 08:49

I know it is important in drama, but my point is that students having been taught it in drama (usually GCSE Drama) are grossly misapplying the concept across poetry and Language. I understand that it is “a thing” but would far rather talk about other things.

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kesstrel · 27/08/2019 08:49

Since vocabulary acquisition is being discussed, here's another excerpt from the Michaela book, describing how they incorporate a lot of reading into their lessons, and that they believe it's important for pupils to learn vocabulary by encountering it in multiple contexts:

At Michaela, all teachers embed reading into their lessons. Our philosophy is simple: anything you explain verbally could be written down for pupils to read. Not only does this approach iron out the problems some teachers may have with off-the-cuff explanations of new or complex concepts, it allows all children to read hundreds or thousands of words every lesson. If every teacher does this, it means that, on an average day, the weakest readers at Michaela will encounter around 12,000 words...

Whilst children are frequently given the opportunity to read aloud, we recognise that teachers are usually the best readers in the room. Teachers model expression, projection and pronunciation of difficult words. When the class comes across a new or particularly complex word, the teacher simply pauses to say ‘I say, you say’ before saying the word clearly, and the kids repeat it back in unison. If you ever come to visit Michaela, you will see how consistent this approach is. In every classroom, across the curriculum, this happens at some point every single lesson. Even in Maths, where pupils spend a huge amount of time practising and drilling themselves in core concepts and processes, many explanations are delivered through this medium.

The benefits are plentiful, as it gives pupils more access to more words in more contexts. Gradually, this builds pupils’ vocabularies and gives them access to a broad range of new, high level words. This approach also enables pupils to see and understand how the same words can be used in a variety of different ways. For example, the word ‘structure’ has subtly different uses in English, as in the structure of a poem, sentence or novel, than in Science, in terms of the structure of a cell, atom or molecule. Seeing the same words in different contexts helps to improve pupils’ understanding of the nuance of language. The cumulative effect of this exposure to such quantities of new words not only improves pupils’ reading ability and confidence in reading but also their courage to express themselves using a broader vocabulary.

(Before anyone suggests that 2000 words per lesson is a lot, my recollection from blogs about their approach is that the '12,000 words for the weakest readers' figure includes the reading of fiction done by form tutors with their classes in form time every day, and also the after school 'Reading Club' that the weakest readers attend.)

kesstrel · 27/08/2019 08:52

so all that classics in KS3 is being taught by people who only know the bits of the stories they have been told to teach.

Wow. What an astonishing degree of contempt for the knowledge and passion for wider reading of your fellow English teachers.

Piggywaspushed · 27/08/2019 08:54

I do agree that they wouldn't have got all those 8s if there weren't brilliant things going on. That said, the new specs do suit a vote learning style more.

I laud the desire to get students reading but it's mechanical nature is a subject if debate and, interestingly, in other Michaela type schools students do do all the reading aloud and there us a no excuses and no opt out policy ( even if they have stammer or are a selective mute, I was told...)

Does anyone else shudder when they hear the word consistency? Or is that just rebellious old me?