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To wonder just how random airport security checks are?

189 replies

DifficultSituation19 · 22/08/2019 00:04

Because I seem to get pulled out to be thoroughly searched EVERY BLOODY TIME! You know, get all my belongings out so they can go through things thoroughly and swab them etc. I’ve flown around 10 times in the last 18 months and it literally always happens, whether I’m in England or abroad, whether I’m alone, with my DP, or the DC. Makes no difference. Always get searched while everyone else breezes through.

This has given me a bit of a complex. I don’t THINK I look like a DF (dodgy fucker). I mean, I’m not obviously oozing money or class but I’m generally quite presentable - white (shouldn’t matter but I’ve heard there is ‘racial profiling’), polite, middle class, pushing 40 mother of 2. WHY ME? My boyfriend thinks it’s hilarious. Surely every time can’t be ‘random’?

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familycourtq · 22/08/2019 10:27

My theory is they (in part) pick on people who they don't think will cause a fuss about extra grilling or a more intrusive search.
I hate it that suicide terrorists have made air travel such a miserable experience for everyone.
I hate airport security - it's horrible for everyone including (of course) the people doing it.

ScrambledSmegs · 22/08/2019 10:33

DD (9yo) gets beeped in the scanner 9 times out of 10. Unfortunately it really upsets her and her younger sister doesn't help matters.

I went through a phase of being 'randomly' selected every time I flew. Then I got medicated for my thyroid and subsequently lost weight. Doesn't happen any more. Really can't work out if it was the weight or the general looking like crap that marked my card Hmm

EmrysAtticus · 22/08/2019 10:42

I have never been checked which I find strange. DH often gets asked but never me. Won't be happening now as have given up flying.

backinthebox · 22/08/2019 10:50

A lot of people seem to take airport security searches very personally, as if the are somehow being individually judged. The fact is it is a necessary and essential part of the airport and air travel. I've been travelling up to 6 times a day through airport security as part of my job for the last 20+ years.

Like it or not, airports and aircraft are seen as huge potential terrorism targets, and each airport does it's absolute best to trap any attacks. The security staff will have been told exactly what they are looking for and that will sometimes be something very specific.

Security consists of you first of all submitting your APIS - your passport number and other personal details. This is compared against a long list of wanted people or people who are on a government 'watch' list. To get on this list you might have carried out a number of 'suspicious' activities that can be as innocuous as travelling on a one way ticket to a particular destination, buying a ticket in cash or at the airport - especially a one way ticket, making an unusual flight connection, or having a name, address and date of birth or any combination of the above that is similar to a known 'watched' person. It's an unfortunate fact but security don't single you out because you are 'brown,' but if your name is Middle Eastern there are a lot of people on watch lists who are from the Middle East, and without further information they cannot assume anything about you without further inspection. There are any number of other things they are looking out for, but the first stage is a very broad brush automated stage. Every single person who flies through an airport is subjected to these checks, they occur without your knowledge or presence being required.

Once you get to the airport another layer of checks is carried out by the airline when you check in. Airlines are required to check visas and travel permits, they are fined if they allowed you to travel without one so it is in their interests to check this carefully. A one way flight without checking in bags combined with other information could be a red flag. In all reality lots of people fly with no bags, but the layers of security are being built up early on.

By the time you get to the actual security check if they want to scrutinise you further they know exactly who they are looking for. However, they also have to check everyone for random threats and careless security breaches. The are a major line of defence against both targeted, specific attacks made by coordinated teams of attackers and lone wolf type attacks. Both kinds of attack are possible - the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated, the storming of the flight deck by a psychiatric patient on a Nairobi flight was a lone wolf attack. Both were very real threats to aircraft safety.

Terrorists are getting more and more sophisticated in their attempts. I am not allowed to give examples of things security have found, but some of them would surprise you (they surprise me! I am given regular briefings on aviation security as part of my work.) Things you may think harmless could be something they have been warned to look out for. They are looking for certain items in your baggage but they are also looking for the way you look, move and act.

Examples I can give are of an attack and an attempt from many years ago, but both show that the public cannot second guess what might be going on. The Lockerbie crash was caused by an explosive in the hold. A message had been sent to the FAA (known as the Helsinki Warning) that a Finnish woman would be an unwitting courier who would place a bomb on a flight out of Frankfurt. It stands to reason that this means they would pay particular attention to all Finnish women travelling out of Frankfurt, but at the time security staff could not allow the public to know this information. Sadly on this occasion they failed. A couple of years earlier a bomb was intercepted by security staff at Heathrow being carried by a passenger travelling to Israel. She was a 5 months pregnant, blonde haired Irish woman travelling to Israel to marry her fiancé. They had planned to travel together, but he had placed the bomb in their luggage and then told her he had decided to catch her up on a later flight.

We do not know what security are looking for, what inside information they have, and nor should we need to know. What we have to do though is accept that security is a permanent part of aviation. So far in this thread there have been people complaining that they are singled out because they are white, because they are brown, because they are fat, (all their words, not mine.) But no one is singled out unnecessarily. There will be a reason for it. My daughter recently complained she has been searched on every flight this year. She wears the same clothes each time, and on her most recent flight the friendly security staff told her that her sequinned t shirt was setting off their sensors. Most metal detector sensors also detect cumulative metal, so a lot of little pieces added together will set off the detector. In my case when I go to work I am wearing an underwired bra, have a metal last in my shoes, have metal buttons, belt and badge on my uniform (hoping the new airline uniform is a little less metal-y!) and a pen in my pocket. I know that if I take off my shoes and belt and pen the rest of it will not usually set off the detector.

Anything at all in your bag that should have been taken out will trigger a search, and the problem is that each airport is different as they will be dealing with their own internal knowledge and systems. Some places you can leave everything in your bag, other places leaving a Kindle in your bag will trigger a search. A polite request to staff about what they need out of the bag can usually avoid this.

There are also random searches - most of the arches are set to trigger a search on a sequence determined by random number generator. A certain proportion of all passengers must be searched, but not in an obvious pattern or sequence.

Once you are through security airport and airline staff are still trained to watch for anything unusual. The last line of defence stops with me, in charge of the aircraft itself, and I would rather no passengers will ill intent got so far I have to deal with them personally, but occasionally it does happen. Not to me, touch wood, but we always have to be vigilant.

People have mentioned immigration and customs too in this thread. They are a whole other topic. But they also have their triggers as to who to stop and question or search. They are looking for things that are not a direct risk to the aircraft or airport so are perhaps a little more direct in their line of questioning. Customs are looking for smuggling of drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, but also items like vegetables, plants, meat and animals (biosecurity is a big thing,) and goods which should have had import duty paid on them. They usually know which flights to target for this. Having had a passenger die on board with a stomach full of smuggled drugs it's not a pretty thing so customs are fairly essential. Immigration are looking for people who should not be travelling, either those without visas or right to travel, but there is also a big anti child and sex worker trafficking and anti slavery movement going on. A child travelling on their own will almost always be picked up on this (my daughter carries various documents explaining why she is travelling on her own) and also parents with a different name to their child if travelling together will be queried.

Hope the above explanation helps - it's not personal, and there's lots we can do to help security. If it were me running the airports I would ban hand luggage for a start, it would make the queues and numbers of people much easier to deal with. But people want to travel with all their stuff so for now we will have to put up with the queues and hassle that security entails.

backinthebox · 22/08/2019 10:53

AnnonniMoose sadly I suspect that throwaway comment will follow you for life now. Recently British Airways offloaded an entire stag party after one of them commented about his 'bomb,' and everyone in that party was questioned at length. It is taken extremely seriously.

QualCheckBot · 22/08/2019 11:01

What I don't understand about airport security checks is why nearly all women are told to remove their shoes, even flat shoes. But hardly any men.

When the shoe bomber was male, and wearing male shoes, which are clearly capable of concealing a bomb or bomb making material...

Teddybear45 · 22/08/2019 11:09

Depends where you are.

  • In the US being brown, female, and travelling alone tends to make you a target - I have been checked every single time I have travelled to / from a US airport.
  • In the UK I have never been subject to extra checks, but may be this year as I’ll be carrying prescribed syringes.
  • In India I do get extra checks a lot (despite being of Indian origin ) as they use Israeli style surveillence techniques. The checks tend to be tied to my wearing traditional Indian dress and possibly my name (which is Indian but of Middle Eastern origin). When I wear normal western clothes I can usually pass through just fine with minimal checks if I have on an underwired bra.

My husband, however, despite being Indian too has never been stopped by security anywhere in the world.

howdyalikemenow · 22/08/2019 11:23

@barryfromclareisfit are you the vicar of dibley???

barryfromclareisfit · 22/08/2019 11:41

Hahaha!

Madmilkmaid · 22/08/2019 11:44

UK domestic flight back home. Searched and swabbed on way out and same on way home. Once through security got stopped by a police officer and a dude in a suit and asked if I was carrying any cash. I laughed (I'm always bloody skint) and explained I had a few quid change in my purse for the taxi home. I let him check and search my bag and purse. He ended up laughing too at the fact I did indeed have about £5 in change to my name.
No idea why they thought I would have any cash on me. Jeans, shirt, trainers none designer or anything!

notacooldad · 22/08/2019 12:01

backinthebox
That's a very interesting post.
I always try and ( in my mind) make things easy as possible. Easy to see clothes, usually flat sandals, no metal belts change in pocket or underwire bras. I never carry medicines, cigarettes, just basic approved toiletries in the correct bags and so on.

After a thorough searching 0 and my hands and bags being swobbed in Germany last year I assumed it was for drugs. I was really shocked when I asked them what they were checking for and they said explosive residue!!

notacooldad · 22/08/2019 12:10

backinthebox
Over the last 5 years I have averaged about 15 trips a year out of the uk from NW airports with the exception of 1 long haul flight nearly all trips have been to central or Eastern Europe.
Sometimes for a few days,sometimes longer.

Would this have been picked up on?
Nothing dodgy going on!! I have a lot of free time when others are working as I tend to work long weekends and I've more money to travel now the children are older ( also long live budget airlines to make places easier to get to!!)

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 22/08/2019 12:15

I sometimes set of scanner whilst walking through the 'door'.

I do it every time. I was shouted at by a TSA agent in Orlando last year as it kept going off even though I had no idea what was causing it. The only thing I could think of was my watch but he told me there was no way it would be that and basically accused me of lying about having my mobile on me (I didn't, it was in my bag in the tray). In the end a much nicer agent stepped in and told me although he it wasn't likely to be my watch he would hold it and put it in the tray when I'd gone through. Needless to say it was my watch!

This year I couldn't check in online so I was presumably chosen for special screening. I didn't find out as we had to cancel the holiday the night before we were due to go! I'm fully expecting to be viewed as suspicious and selected again next year!

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 22/08/2019 12:17

I have had an additional hand luggage check every single time I have flown, I have also been detained for questioning several times, my record is 9 hours.

If you're detained for 9 hours what happens to the person you are flying with? Do they have to fly on their own if they have already checked in? There's no way I would be able to do that so I presume we'd both have to get a later flight.

0lga · 22/08/2019 12:31

Very helpful post, thank you @backinthebox

crustycrab · 22/08/2019 12:51

@AppleKatie "are druggies generally overweight"

Love this Grin. No, but a mule will have some extra rolls if they've got a few kilos of cocaine strapped to their body.

ItsABubbleParty · 22/08/2019 12:53

I used to get searched all the time on my maiden name which was Irish, swap to an English name and it stopped.

Flew out of Greece recently and we forgot to empty our water bottles but they took one look at our buggy and allowed us to put through large water bottles filled to the brim Hmm "it's for the baby, it's OK" (baby is 4 year old, just in a buggy for holiday naps).

AriadneCrete · 22/08/2019 15:15

Interesting about the underwire in your bra! I never knew that and have tried a variety of outfits over the years, because I always have to have a pat down/ extra scanners. But there’s always underwire in my bra. I always think I must come across as very suspicious as I hate uninitiated contact and visible stiffen even though I’m chanting “Relax, relax” in my head!

I always think I actually have a lot of suspicious airport behaviours. My father works/ has worked abroad for over 15 years in various countries, so I’ve taken a lot of solo flights back and forth to visit him. I hate big dogs, especially scary looking big dogs, so whenever there are sniffer dogs at Heathrow when you get off the flight I power walk/ almost run past them, which must seem strange.

Whenever I’m in America, despite having been in countless American airports, the gun presence always makes me uncomfortable. Then I worry my uncomfortableness looks suspicious, which makes it even worse!

BrightYellowDaffodil · 22/08/2019 15:37

Very interesting post, @backinthebox, thank you for writing all that!

I've been stopped so many times I'm used to it. And not just in this country, but all over the world. Various different 'causes' - sometimes it's me they're interested in, sometimes it's my luggage. I don't think I've ever been through Heathrow without having my bags searched.

After I was very nearly arrested a few years back (they stopped when the realised they had the wrong woman, not least because I clearly wasn't fluent in the language they expected me to be fluent in), I managed to find out from them that I share some details with someone on an international watch list. I wish they'd hurry up and find them so I can travel freely!

(It doesn't help that my passport photo looks like an angry axe murderer and not very much like me.)

floribunda18 · 22/08/2019 15:39

Thank you for a useful and informative post backinthebox.

Anything at all in your bag that should have been taken out will trigger a search, and the problem is that each airport is different as they will be dealing with their own internal knowledge and systems. Some places you can leave everything in your bag, other places leaving a Kindle in your bag will trigger a search. A polite request to staff about what they need out of the bag can usually avoid this

That's great to know. I think also security staff must also bear in mind that passengers are mostly just people trying to get away on holiday, a bit stressed and frazzled, in a noisy environment, probably not frequent flyers, and trying to cope with all the instructions, which differ at every single airport, and sometimes in a very short space of time. If I, as a professional person, with no learning disability or physical disability, speaking the language of the country, sometimes struggle with getting everything right then it figures that other people will struggle more. Most people are not being wilfully stupid or deliberately obstructive, it is just a lot to take in and can be a bit stressful. Most security staff are incredibly patient but you do get the odd ones moaning about people "not listening" or really having a go at you if your case has to be opened for one of the myriad, slightly different at each individual airport reasons the scanner doesn't like it.

People always need hand luggage, that is, a handbag anyway as there will always be personal effects you don't want in the hold. I love checking my luggage and not having to wheel a bag around the airport. However, I don't like waiting an extra half hour or more to get my bag back, and the worry that I might not, and moreover I don't like paying £24.99 for the experience. Have a word with the airlines, who are encouraging cabin baggage.

which1 · 22/08/2019 19:58

Have a word with the airlines, who are encouraging cabin baggage.

I thought airlines like hold luggage more as the charges are higher. People often take cabin luggage on for free.

francienolan · 22/08/2019 19:59

This used to be me. Once at Heathrow it was even AFTER security and at the gate--a security woman took a real dislike to me and swapped literally every item in my carry on bag for drugs. She also leafed through my travel journal. Other times I would be taken aside and searched, or similar.

For some reason they don't do it anymore. In fact recently in the US, we had pre check but pre check was closed and they just waved me through security. I didn't even go through a metal detector. My mom, who also had pre check, got a full body search.

AppleKatie · 22/08/2019 21:04

No, but a mule will have some extra rolls if they've got a few kilos of cocaine strapped to their body.

🤣well that might be quicker to shift than the fat I suppose. A good deal more profitable too. I suppose the effects on health are similarly disastrous though.

crustycrab · 22/08/2019 21:31

@AppleKatie Grin not if you just peel the wraps off and don't ingest them. Wish I could unroll my rolls! Unfortunately mine is actual fat

TapasForTwo · 22/08/2019 22:29

That was really interesting backinthebox
We are flying next Sunday. I think I will buy a non wired bra for the trip. I got stopped, patted down and swabbed at Orlando when flying home from a holiday. Thinking back I think it was the fact that I was wearing a maxi dress, and it had sequins on it.

The daughter of a friend of mine rather foolishly had a gun tattoo on her leg. Security wouldn't allow her through unless she covered it up. Fortunately her friend had a maxi dress in her hand luggage, so she wore that.