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To be blindsided by doctor's comments about my alcohol consumption?

385 replies

omafiet · 13/08/2019 15:13

I am 42 and overweight. Since having my third child and injuring my back I've gained 2.5 stone. The weight gain hasn't been linear - in fact this time last year I was in reasonable shape and doing a triathlon - but I know I need to do something. Now.

I have been having some unusual stomach symptoms recently and after my friend was diagnosed with ovarian cancer I figured to be on the safe side I should get checked out. I have a great reply with my doctor and respect her advice.

After doing the physical exam she asked me about my drinking habits. I replied that I drank half a bottle of wine, two or three times a week. So, up to 1.5 bottles a week. She put her pen down and told me that this was really excessive and I needed to cut down, if not stop completely for a while.

I'm a little freaked out and have decided to do a 90-day booze-free challenge. But is 1.5 bottles a week really so bad? When I was in my twenties I'd drink that in a night Blush. How much do you drink?

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JellyPeanut · 13/08/2019 21:29

Personally, I think it's a lot. I have one glass a month at most. Everyone's different. That said, I bet it'd really help the weight fall off if you gave it up.

Blue7 · 13/08/2019 21:31

I have lost two relations at a very young age through a road accident & a disability. My Grandad died at 80, he loved a drink and didn't die through drink. So No I"m not a raving alcoholic but I do like a drink most weekends. Judge all you want.

happinessischocolate · 13/08/2019 21:31

After doing the physical exam she asked me about my drinking habits. I replied that I drank half a bottle of wine, two or three times a week. So, up to 1.5 bottles a week. She put her pen down and told me that this was really excessive and I needed to cut down, if not stop completely for a while.

Maybe because the recommended 14 units per week is a limit, not a target.

And it's healthier to have alcohol free weeks and months rather than drinking just over the limit every single week.

SirTobyBelch · 13/08/2019 21:32

the 14 unit suggested limit for women.

I wish people would stop writing this. It's the suggested limit. Full stop. Makes no difference whether you're a man or a woman.

www.nhs.uk/live-well/alcohol-support/calculating-alcohol-units/

Blue7 · 13/08/2019 21:33

I also exercise, eat healthy, don't smoke & I'm slim.

Blue7 · 13/08/2019 21:39

I eat chocolate about once a month too. Never really enjoy it though.

KOKOtiltomorrow · 13/08/2019 21:40

Disclaimer: I had a problem with alcohol which is now resolved.

Only on mumsnet do you get people saying they drink half a glass of wine a year or a sniff of Baileys at Xmas saying anything more than that is a problem!

LiliesAndChocolate · 13/08/2019 21:45

@cavalier has a point and she is not shaming anyone.

A whole issue of the Lancet medical journal was dedicated to this and pointing the finger at health policies: an extract as to access it you need a subscription:

The Nov 7 publication of Alcohol and Cancer: a Statement of the American Society of Clinical Oncology (ASCO) emphasises the prominence of alcohol as a proven cause of many cancers. This view is not novel and comes exactly 30 years after a working group of the International Agency for Research on Cancer determined that alcoholic beverages were carcinogenic to humans. It has been echoed by other cancer societies since then but seemingly ignored by the wider medical community and by society. The in uential endorsement by ASCO provides a power­ ful impetus to act on decades of evidence that alcohol harms health.
Alcohol is causally linked to upper aerodigestive tract cancers (oral cavity, pharynx, larynx, oesophagus) and those of the colon, liver, and female breast
. Associations exist for many other types of cancer, but the precise role of alcohol requires further research to be fully disentangled from ecological and lifestyle factors. Historical assertions of bene t from alcohol are likely misinterpreted or exaggerated, because no lower threshold for cancer risk has yet been identi ed. Carcinogenesis is most common in tissues that are in direct contact with alcohol and increases with exposure. For example, a three times increase in the recommended alcohol limit raises the risk of oesophageal cancer eight times, leading to estimates that three­quarters of oesophageal cancers are due to high alcohol consumption. Because cancer of the oesophagus has a 5­year survival rate of less than 10%, prevention is paramount.
Although the mechanism of carcinogenesis might vary by the type of tissue involved, it is consistent for di erent forms of alcohol and likely involves ethanol’s genotoxic metabolite, acetaldehyde. Additional evidence comes from east Asian populations, in which variant genotypes that impair aldehyde dehydrogenase are common (thereby raising aldehyde concentrations) and the incidence of aerodigestive tract tumours is increased. Because alcohol is a solvent, other toxic compounds, particularly those added to inferior products to enhance palatability, might also play a part.
The scale of the danger posed by alcohol is immense. Nearly 2 billion people consume alcoholic beverages regularly. All families and societies that consume alcohol are a ected, with some populations, such as native Americans, at particularly high risk of harmful outcomes.
Europe is the region of greatest consumption and has the heaviest burden of alcohol­related cancers. One estimate of annual consumption in the UK for 2016 was 12 L of pure alcohol for individuals aged 15 years or older. Populations in eastern Europe drank even more. Beyond cancer, alcohol has widespread and insidious e ects throughout the body and mind, leading to profound adverse social consequences. The Global Burden of Disease Study 2016 ranked alcohol as the seventh leading cause for disability­adjusted life­years (4·2%) and death (5·2%). In the UK, where classi cation of alcohol­speci c deaths has been narrowed, there were 7327 registered deaths in 2016, an age­standardised rate of 11·7 per 100 000.
The ASCO statement takes the health consequences of alcohol beyond the dawn of understanding to the full light of day: alcohol is an undeniable menace to health. Yet it is also culturally bound to the behaviours of almost 2 billion people, for whom, in the coming weeks, large quantities will feature at Thanksgiving gatherings, seasonal o ce parties, Christmas celebrations, and new year festivities. As the Comment in this issue by Frank Murray about alcohol control in Ireland shows, stricter regulation of alcohol elicits strong political and commercial opposition. For those reasons, and because of the in uence of alcohol on patients’ wellbeing, moves towards safer drinking need to be led by health professionals. Routine surveillance, health education, and cancer prevention provide contexts for doing so within any consultation.
The challenge of alcohol and cancer will increase. Longer life expectancy means greater cumulative exposure, and as more populations become a uent, alcohol consumption grows. Meanwhile, the cost of alcohol in real terms has decreased, which expands availability. But alcohol is a modi able hazard, with a risk that diminishes after stopping. There is no excuse to ignore regulatory interventions for access, advertisements, and unit cost that are shown to reduce alcohol consumption. Like tobacco, the longer the delay in e ective control, the more severe future interventions for alcohol will need to be. It is not unimaginable that bottles of Château Mouton Rothschild, which once bore the artwork of Salvador Dali and Pablo Picasso, might one day be required to have plain packaging and images of oesophageal cancer or a cirrhotic liver.

Benjispruce · 13/08/2019 21:47

Sounds familiar

To be blindsided by doctor's comments about my alcohol consumption?
DDIJ · 13/08/2019 21:49

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flashdancer19 · 13/08/2019 21:50

@LiliesAndChocolate teetotal people get cancer too, stop talking utter bollocks! Or rather stop cutting and pasting It.

@cavalier has been asked how she KNOWS it was due to alcohol.

Benjispruce · 13/08/2019 21:52

I sleep very well, am a size 10, have clear skin, low blood pressure and cholesterol, can run 5k easily, walk an hour a day and drink about the same as op. I enjoy a drink for the taste, the feeling and the social aspect.

EarringsandLipstick · 13/08/2019 21:53

@ishouldbedoingsomework you're really determined to stick to your point & ignore mine 😀

Grand!

It's a bit crazy tho - if you have weight to lose, and have some health concerns, alcohol won't help and drinking at the max recommended limit definitely won't.

But I've made that point multiple times & you seem just v concerned that I'm somehow challenging the CMO; I'm really not! You can relax about that now

c75kp0r · 13/08/2019 21:53

I drink less than a glass a month. Not sure what that adds to the sum of human knowledge though. Data on sales of alcohol indicate that I am far from typical.

Blue7 · 13/08/2019 21:54

Oh yes my MIL (who was amazing) didn't drink hardly and got cancer as she retired.

Thequaffle · 13/08/2019 21:54

I’m 36 and I go weeks without having anything and then sometimes will go out for dinner and have a glass or go for drinks and then I’ll have either 2-3 glasses of wine or a few vodka sodas. I probably drink once every two months.

strongthighedbargeman · 13/08/2019 21:58

Despite not drinking I can't sleep, my skin is spotty, greasy and blotchy, I am puffy and fat, my eyes are bloodshot, I'm always knackered and I can't concentrate. Just wanted to reassure everyone that not everyone feels amazing benefits from giving up alcohol

I was dry for 3m and agree with the above entirely.

EarringsandLipstick · 13/08/2019 21:58

Yeah @LymeyPie that's it: Some of them have a complex and think they know everything

All these annoying unqualified doctors who haven't studied for years, completed training schemes in teaching hospitals & see patients all day ... what can they be thinking, trying to advise us much more knowledgeable people? 🙄

strongthighedbargeman · 13/08/2019 22:01

My husbands first wife died from breast cancer at 27 after 4 years of illness. Had never tried alcohol. I'll take my chances with the odds

Iggly · 13/08/2019 22:03

Cancer isn’t only caused by alcohol- drinking alcohol just increases your risk of developing it.

So there’s no point flagging examples of teetotal vegans who got three types of cancer. That’s not the point.

AquaPris · 13/08/2019 22:07

Yeah I drink a lot more than that... but I'm 24

timshelthechoice · 13/08/2019 22:07

I don't drink, either, and I have terrible trouble sleeping, have perimenopausal spots (on my chin) and middle aged spread. And I got gallstones. And I still have GERD (I have a relaxed sphincter from multiple pregnancies in my late 30s) and have to take prescribed drugs.

TheGlitterFairy · 13/08/2019 22:09

1.5 bottles a week isn’t a lot OP....

Redspider1 · 13/08/2019 22:10

Your GP misheard you OP.

Blue7 · 13/08/2019 22:13

I know a vegan who preaches that some food causes cancer. I don't know the facts.