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AIBU?

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AIBU to worry about my end of tenancy?

17 replies

ineedaholiday2 · 12/08/2019 13:34

Hi all,

I'm feeling frustrated and confused and would really appreciate some external views/advice (or just a virtual hug).

We have been living in a rented flat for the last year and decided to move because it was too small. The relationship with the landlord was always on the tense side, mainly because when we moved in he refused to do an inventory (I had to take pictures instead), then it was always hard to get him to do small repairs quickly and at the same time he was often snooping around and texting us to come and see the flat or one thing or the other. Just a big source of mental fatigue. When we said we would leave, he arranged visits almost every day, which we agreed to and helped him hoping that he would find new tenants.

As for us, we have already found a new flat, and there is a month overlap with the previous tenancy. We paid the landlord the last month in full, telling him that we would be happy to move earlier if he found new tenants that were willing to cover the difference.

I hope you're still following me :)

OK so the landlord found new tenants and they want to move in 2 weeks earlier, and I thought it was great news for everyone, but here's the thing: LL refuses to pay/return the money for those 2 weeks and has only offered a small amount which doesn't even make up for half of what it should be (I used a pro-rata calculator to figure out the daily rent and sent him back our numbers).

Considering everything we had already put up with, I politely but dryly refused, told him we weren't interested and that we would wait until the end of the tenancy to leave. This is bad for us because it means we're paying a month in both flats, but at least I don't feel like he is abusing his position and ripping us off.

Since I told him, he has been texting us about petty details. For example, he keeps enquiring about the end cleaning, although we already told him we would be hiring a professional agency and that he doesn't need to worry. He wants to come over for whatever reason (i.e., 'to measure something') and keeps asking about dates and small things I don't know why. Given the number of notifications was driving us crazy, we have asked him to only text us for urgent things, and leave all other communications via email.

I don't know if I am doing the right thing, or if there is anything else I could have done. Leaving aside the waste of money, this is being very draining and tiresome, and it adds up to the already stressful experience of moving out and into a new place.

So I don't know what my question is. AIBU? Am I overreacting? How do I stop this from ruining my day(s) and keep my mental health? Is there anything you would have done differently? Does anyone have advice in dealing with this type of situations?

Thanks for reading.

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Cocobean30 · 12/08/2019 13:40

Is this through an agency? Do you have a protected deposit?

ineedaholiday2 · 12/08/2019 13:47

We are renting directly from the landlord (although we used an agency to help us find the flat and they appear in the contract, the landlord complained that they were too expensive/rubbish and asked us to deal with him directly at all times). The deposit is protected by DPS - Deposit Protection Scheme.

Again, thanks for reading. At least writing about it it's helping me get it out of my system :)

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Toothproblems · 12/08/2019 13:51

Keep all contacts between yourselves. İ think you will need it for the DPS he will do everything he can not to give you the deposit back... So keep your evidence and your inventory. İ don't think it's worth the stress. İf you can move to the new place then just go. And then sort getting your deposit back. Some landlords are awful but some are so amazing.

ineedaholiday2 · 12/08/2019 14:08

Thanks! That's what I'm dreading, that he will try to keep the deposit. He's already asked us to clean communal parts of the building which were dirty when we moved in. I wonder what else he is thinking about...

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Csleeptime · 12/08/2019 14:12

So have you already paid the full month? If you have and you have overlap at least you can get the new place cleaned and move at your leisure as a plus point. I wouldn't leave early if I'd paid and he refused to refund. Also he should not be communicating so often and like thay. You are in your right to not let him into the flat again until you keave as he has.found tenants. I wouldn't let him in until your last day for final inspection and make sure you take pics! Also just stop responding to his texts.

ilovewelshrarebit123 · 12/08/2019 14:27

Take photos of everything on the day you leave to prove cleanliness and condition of fixtures and fittings would be my advice.

It odds on he'll try to keep some of your deposit for something you've not done.

ThereIsNoSuchThingAsRoadTax · 12/08/2019 14:32

Surely the inventory is for the landlord's benefit? If he didn't do one when you moved in, he will find it very difficult to keep hold of any of your deposit. If he tries, just dispute it with the DPS and, in the absence of any evidence from him of the state of the flat when you moved in, they are likely to find in your favour.

Thornhill58 · 12/08/2019 15:24

I'm a landlord and his behaviour is outrageous. He needs to stop. There is no reason for him to come in your house for any reason now. You were very good at letting him show the flat without giving you a discount. Tell him firmly that no more calls/text, no more visits. Take as many photos as possible and the place just needs to be in the same way you found it.
He wants you out but sounds like harassment.
Make sure you ask the DPS for your deposit ASAP.
If he wants you out he has to pay what's due back.

lyralalala · 12/08/2019 15:36

The fact he didn’t do an inventory is actually in your favour now. He can’t prove anything after you leave without an inventory from the start. DPS are likely to find in your favour.

Cherrysoup · 12/08/2019 15:43

Block his number. Don't allow him to come round/harass you again. Take lots of pictures of the place the day you move out. Check your contract, I don't think cleaning communal areas are your responsibility. The deposit scheme will refund you, particularly as there was no check in/inventory. Do you have an up to date gas safety certificate? If not, your landlord is operating outside of the law and you can sue him to get back more than your original deposit.

Fizzpopwhizzbang · 12/08/2019 15:49

Him refusing to do an inventory was very stupid, because he now cannot prove that you have damaged anything. So I really wouldn't worry about that - it works in your favour!

I would just keep in mind that soon you will have moved out and won't have to deal with this tosser anymore. Imagine how chilled out you'll feel once you're in the new place and you don't have to talk to him ever again!

ineedaholiday2 · 12/08/2019 15:52

Thank you all, it means a lot that you're even reading this! Yes, gas certificate is up to date etc. He's not stupid... and in fact, he is a lawyer, which can be worrying too. I honestly don't know why he's doing this. We've been perfect tenants, so maybe it's his personality or he has an anxiety problem, or is just too greedy? Who knows! I will take pictures of everything, and won't let this get me down. In less than one month it will be over... fingers crossed!

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BMW6 · 12/08/2019 15:58

Well he may be a lawyer but not doing an inventory when you moved in was really stupid of him!

ineedaholiday2 · 12/08/2019 16:01

@BMW6 I know! You know, I took pictures of everything and descriptions, to help him (well, to help both of us), and send it for him to sign, and he never did.

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FaithFrank · 12/08/2019 16:13

Just because he is a lawyer, doesn't stop him from being an arse.

I agree with pp, don't agree to any more visits. You are not obligated to respond to his messages either. Try and ignore them if you can. If you feel you need to respond, just say 'I confirm we will be moving out on x date.' That's all he needs to know.

ineedaholiday2 · 12/08/2019 20:38

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FaithFrank · 13/08/2019 07:18

I think the message is fine. It is basically a longer and more detailed version of what I said before - we are not giving you any more access to the property and we are moving out on x date.

Maybe it's hard, but there is nothing wrong with setting clear boundaries. He has treated you badly. The tenancy is ending soon. The TDS will make the decision about the return of your deposit. You don't need to play nice.

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