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AIBU to demand a class change?

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zvjezdica · 08/08/2019 22:29

DD (5 and a half) starts school on Tuesday. She should have started last year according to birthday but was deferred for a year as she's under assessment for ASD and is a little behind her peers in most aspects.
During the last year at nursery, I have been called in for several meetings with health visitor, support worker, head teacher of the school (it's a feeder nursery, attached to the school) and head teacher of the nursery. The main focus of these meetings was discussing how to properly support DD in her transition from nursery to school as she doesn't do well with changes and will often "shut down" and go non verbal in unfamiliar settings.
DD does not interact well with other kids. She wants to, but when it comes to actually going over and joining in play or integrating herself into a group she can't do it, she just stands on the sidelines and stares then gets upset if they don't take that as a cue to ask her to play. Because of these social/communication issues, it is incredibly difficult for her to make friends. During her 2 years of nursery she very gradually built up a bond with 2 children, a little boy and a little girl, both 4 years old.
These kids have really taken her under their wing and brought her out of her shell a little.
Due to class numbers, the primary 1 kids have been split into two classes, p1a and p1b. The nursery teachers were asked to inform the school of any children who should or should not be placed in the same class.
For some reason, the nursery teacher (I don't want to sound like a massive dick, and I know I do, but this woman did not like my child. DD can be challenging, infuriating even, and her group leader could not deal with it and I've had a few heated discussions with her over her treatment of DD, for example, telling her off for the design of her backpack and telling her she's not allowed to bring it to nursery any more, asking her to wait and walking away with no intention of coming back, which, due to DD's nature, ended in her standing there aimlessly for over an hour, and telling DD she can't be a chef because she's a girl, which really upset her, to name but a few instances) has told them to put the other two kids into one class and DD into another. The way things have worked out, DD knows literally no one in her class. Everyone from her group (the nursery was split into 8 groups), including her friends, is in another class.
DD was looking forward to school and now doesn't want to go.
I have spoken to a family support worker from the school who refuses to believe me - "maybe she just likes these kids and speaks about them at home because she's fixated on them, they can't be friends or the nursery would have said, we specifically asked about her and were told there was no one specific she'd prefer to be with."
This is not the case, I know the mothers of her friends and the kids speak about her at home too, and I witnessed them playing every time I dropped her off and picked her up.
Would I be U to ask the head teacher on the first day to switch her into the other class? I hope this made sense, sorry, I'm stressed and tired

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toomuchfaster · 08/08/2019 22:33

I think a soft approach and a request following an explanation may be heard, no guarantee it will be acted on. A demand will be ignored and you will be written off as 'that' mum far too early in DD's school career.

fedup21 · 08/08/2019 22:36

Any head I’ve worked for would not entertain a move and they ask you not to ask.

Why have you left it until now to consider saying something? Didn’t you know this at the end of the summer term?

lazylinguist · 08/08/2019 22:37

You can ask, you can't demand.

zvjezdica · 08/08/2019 22:38

@toomuchfaster you're right - demand was the wrong word. Request/ask for would have been a much better choice - I'm not a confrontational person and definitely wasn't planning on marching in with the whole CHANGE HER CLASS NOW AND WIPE HER BUTT WHILE YOU'RE AT IT attitude, don't worry! My mum was That Mum and I have no intention of following suit Grin

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zvjezdica · 08/08/2019 22:39

@fedup21 I didn't. The classes weren't confirmed, the classes and teachers were only confirmed a few weeks ago and I only found out because DD and I went to an open day/picnic at the school and the P1 teachers and family support worker were present.

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SteadyAreYouReady · 08/08/2019 22:40

Honestly.... yes.

Those kids could leave for another school next week. What if they had when they finished nursery.

I get why you feel the way you do, you want your DD to feel comfortable in her new setting

As a side note, primary school really really helped my DD, (ASD) and really blossomed, when we all expected her to be placed into a special school after Xmas

Nottodayx · 08/08/2019 22:41

Is she going into reception or year 1?

What is the setting like? In my DS school, early years setting they can roam and play with both classes. They only shut the doors for lesson time.

This happened to us that all his nursery friends were in the opposite class but it turned out it didn’t really matter because he was still with them really!

If it’s really upsetting you, there is no harm in asking can she be moved.

Snoopdogsbitch · 08/08/2019 22:43

YANBU at all. I would ask the head teacher to contact the nursery head if he/ she needs to confirm the friendships. The inservice days here are Mon/ Tues but perhaps ,if your DD starts on Tues they are Tomorrow/ Mon where you are. Call the school office tomorrow/ mon and ask to speak to the HT. If you calmly state your concerns hopefully they'll sort it. Good luck.

TheBrockmans · 08/08/2019 22:43

I think that you would need the other mother to back you up on this and even so there may not be a move if the classes are full/ already unevenly balanced. Could the parents of the boy and girl have asked not to be with your dd? I know it sounds harsh but maybe they think their children are being relied on too much (not necessarily your or dd's fault but maybe nursery relied on them too much). They might not tell you but might tell the school.

zvjezdica · 08/08/2019 22:44

@nottodayx I'm not sure what reception is exactly, sorry! We're in Scotland, they go directly from nursery into primary 1, usually aged 4 or 5. Thanks for the reassurance though! I will ask, but if they say no I'm a little less stressed knowing that she'll still see a lot of them at school.

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movingontosomethingnew · 08/08/2019 22:45

Why does the nursery have its own head when it's attached to the school? Usually the head of school with a nursery is head of nursery too.

I would certainly be asking questions but I don't think you can demand it.

zvjezdica · 08/08/2019 22:46

@TheBrockmans no, they definitely didn't ask not to be with her, they were both shocked to hear she'd been separated from their kids, especially the mother of the little girl who's been assuring her DD this whole time that her best friend (my DD) will be in her class, and both said they'd be happy to confirm they are friends Smile

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CloudRusting · 08/08/2019 22:47

Well you could ask but presumably it would involve a child from the other side swapping so u likely they would want to do this.

You may also need for the risk that you ultimately hear something you don’t want to such as the parents of the other children have asked for them to be separate from your DD. Which they might possibly have done if they think she is overly reliant on their children and could affect them making other friends.

Nottodayx · 08/08/2019 22:47

Sorry that’s reception to me then!

They will no doubt have the same play time etc outside so she would be with them then.

Good luck whatever you choose to do!

CloudRusting · 08/08/2019 22:48

Cross posted sorry

Genevieva · 08/08/2019 22:51

Don't act until next week. Get in touch with the head teacher as soon as you can - perhaps a letter tomorrow. Can you get a support worker to write saying it is in her interest to be with these children when transitioning to a new environment so that she has social continuity? Wait until the first day of school and they will say they can't. Get in now - politely but firmly - and they might. Don't write anything negative about the nursery - the school probably has a good relationship with them and it might be better if they think it is an oversight.

Genevieva · 08/08/2019 22:54

PS

that should say wait - not act.

Perhaps the little girl's mother can also write expressing concern that her daughter's friendship request was not passed on.

thecatinthetwat · 08/08/2019 22:56

Ime they won’t change her for friend reasons. They may be basing there choices on other things.. number of kids with additional needs per class etc.

I’d be much more inclined to ask for change based on teacher saying sexist things about her preferences to be honest. At least makes complaint about that.

Shalligo · 08/08/2019 22:59

The school sounds terrible - this won’t be what you want to hear but if you’re already having heated conversations about the way they deal with ASD, I’d start looking at alternative schools straightaway.

thecatinthetwat · 08/08/2019 22:59

Oh I see, ive misunderstood. It sounds like the nursery worker has recommended that your dd be separated from her friends, is that right?

Maybe it’s for the best? If they distract each other, misbehave etc? They will be together at play times.

zvjezdica · 08/08/2019 23:11

@thecatinthetwat it's not so much that she's recommended that she be separated, just that she's informed the school that they, and the rest of their group, should be placed together but DD doesn't have any friends so it doesn't matter which class she's in. This is not the case, and they don't misbehave together, if anything she's easier to deal with around them as she's more comfortable with being verbal and making her own decisions if they're involved whereas alone she'll just retreat into her own world and often refuse to come out.

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Cohle · 08/08/2019 23:20

I wouldn't personally. Kid's friendships are very transient at that age and the move to school is a time when friendships are really shaken up.

It sounds likely you'll need the school on side and kicking up a fuss at this stage is not, I think, the best way of building that relationship.

There may also be various "behind the scenes issues" you're not aware of - specific teachers who have experience with ASD, TAs, parental views, nursery reports etc.

Tanith · 08/08/2019 23:28

It may be that the school is trying to ensure your DD is not reliant on these children and they will work with her to build up similar relationships with other children.
It sounds as though making friends is a skill that your DD needs to practice and they may feel that, with friends already made, your DD wouldn't try to make friends with other children.

Sunflowers11 · 08/08/2019 23:30

All the children are transitioning regardless if they have ASD or not. Every parent will be experiencing the same anxiety as you @zvjezdica

Let her try build new relationships, develop social skills and build her resilience up. She may well surprise you.

thecatinthetwat · 09/08/2019 19:45

I see where you're coming from, but is it too late to ask for a chnage now?

I guess you could ask, but I'd be pretty polite about it and open to discussion.

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