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AIBU?

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AIBU or is Trump just after jeopardising any case against the El Paso shooter?

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Thump · 05/08/2019 20:19

He has stated yesterday/today (not sure with time differences) that these are mentally ill people and that they should be incarcerated involuntarily in asylums I presume - can't quote him verbatim.
AIBU or does this not leave the shooter, who is reportedly being cooperative with an effective Get out of Jail Free Card?
I mean, the president has just written him off on an insanity plea?

Maybe I don't know this guy's end game - I know some of them are not clinically insane and don't want to go to hospital even though they're found to be insane, but was this just pure madness on the part of Trump?

There may have been nuance in that he referred to mental health illness in general rather than to the two specific shooters over the weekend, but a good defence attorney could surely now be able to plea for insanity finding? Thus over-riding the hard work the guys in El Paso are doing to get the death penalty?

Is there an obvious I'm not seeing?

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Thump · 05/08/2019 20:28

He unequivocally states 'But this is also a mental illness problem, if you look at both of these cases, this is mental illness. These are really people that are very, very seriously mentally ill'.

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MhysaMhysa · 05/08/2019 21:01

I don't know about these specific cases and I can't argue that people with mental health issues (at the least) shouldn't own guns, but personally, I think it's just deflection from the actual issues of extreme nationalism, racism and gun violence in America.

Not even half the people who have committed mass shootings have been found to have mental health issues and someone with MH is more likely to be a victim than a perpetrator.

Thump · 05/08/2019 21:04

While I appreciate the reply, and I do agree that it's a deflection of the real issues, but would our PM or any politician be allowed to come out and unequivocally state that a suspect was mentally ill and not jeopardise the case?

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cottonwoolsnowmen · 05/08/2019 21:07

I can't comment on the American legal system, but in the uk it's not a case of "pleading insanity" and a judge saying "oh, ok, hospital it is then". It actually has to be proven within the parameters set out by the law.

I doubt it's so wildly different over there that you can opt out of prison and into hospital because some random bloke called you mentally ill.

Thump · 05/08/2019 21:28

He's not a random bloke - he's the president.

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