To think this is utterly unreasonable... pic included

[ScottishJo31]

Just seen this on my local town Facebook group.....I can’t believe that someone would confront someone with a blue badge for parking in a p&c space.....especially as it’s massive carpark and there were loads of spaces...! [pic edited out by MNHQ - OP do feel free to repost having obscured the number plate below]

Shes got it wrong theyre a courtesy space diabled blue badge holders have a right to park there if theres no disabled not the other way round

Apparently it was the opposite myhead!

P+C spaces are not enforceable, they are a courtesy, anyone can park in them. There's usually a sign requesting people to only use the spaces if they have young children with them, but that's all it is
I always see this on MN, is it still true if the car park is privately run? Our local Sainsbury’s clearly states the car park, and it’s rules, are run and enforced by a separate company. So if they stated p and c up to 11 yrs only and you were caught out, are they entitled to fine you?

Someone should point to the selfish cow who posted that message that having children is a lifestyle choice - I doubt anyone ever willingly chose to become disabled.

There are usually plenty of disable parking in big supermarkets that's true but disable people absolutely need these spaces or they can't get out at all. It make sense supermarkets make sure there are enough for most if not all disable customers.

P&C parking also very important especially for those have two or more preschool children, you can't safely get them all out without a "safe space".

I don't quite understand why can't the bigger supermarkets make extra P&C spaces available further away from the supermarket entrace, many blue badge holder park in those because they sometimes are closer to the entrance!

When I took my 89 yr old friend shopping, I always parked in a P&C space. She didn't have a blue badge because she used hospital transport for treatment and our shopping trips were the only time she left the house in a private car. She didn't think it would be worth the hassle of applying.

She needed a wide space so she could get out of the car and arrange her stick/crutch to stand up safely. I was really geared up to taking on anyone who complained. Perhaps that's why nobody ever did - to they were normal people who had the common sense to see that her need was greater than theirs.

'or' they were normal people.

Our local Aldi's has disabled spaces around the side of the store. Parent and child are right in front. I've never seen the logic in that 🤷‍♀️

Because when some people have children they tend to feel very entitled. Never come across the kind of entitlement I’ve seen in parents! It’s actually quite shocking.

I have a bb but not a wheelchair. It really really pisses me off the p&c spaces are always by the doors. When my mobility has been particularly bad I have parked in p&c spaces occasionally because of this. It was the difference between getting to the cash machine and not. I didn’t even want to go inside Sainsbury’s.

What a cunt. You don't get a blue badge for fun.

I have 2 small kids and am perfectly capable of using a normal space. In fact if I was parked in a P and C space and a blue badge holders asked me if they could park there as they needed the space, I would move. It called being a decent human being. Having children is a choice. Having a disability is not.

My husband is disabled and has a blue badge as such my opinion is after many times having no disabled space to park in that he should be able to use the p&c spots. Although it may make it more of a challenge for a parent with small children I am sorry but someone disabled comes first. I had to fight to get him a blue badge and i would certainly challenge anyone who questioned our use of a p&c spot especially if there was nothing else available.

"Just" because they have a blue badge? Wow.

I bet it is the type of person who parks in blue badge spaces or gets very annoyed because they are (almost) always empty.

Right. This happens every bloody thread about P&C parking spaces. "I can't see why it's important, it's a luxury/convenience - not essential"

THERE ARE SEVERAL PLACES NEAR ME WHERE IF I PARK IN A NORMAL SPACE I AM UNABLE TO GET MY TWO CHILDREN IN MY CAR IF SOMEONE PARKS INCONSIDERATELY YET 'LEGALLY' IN THE SPACE NEXT TO ME.
I THEREFORE HAVE TO LEAVE A BABY IN A CAR SEAT ALONE ON THE PAVEMENT OR OTHER 'SAFE' AREA WHILE I TRY AND REVERSE OUT. THE BABY COULD GET RUN OVER.

The last time this happened I couldn't get into the driver's side as there was literally about 8 cm between my car and the massive van that had parked in the next space. I managed to climb in the passenger side - if I had been pregnant this would not have been possible and the three of us would have been stuck until the driver deigned to return.

Luckily it was on the older child's side so I could leave him unstrapped in the car while I reversed out to then be able to strap him in.

The usual response is to treat it as if all the spaces were taken (so I should park elsewhere) yet this isn't logical as chances are a normal space will be ok so I'm better off taking the risk than going home empty-handed.

I'm not catastrophising or exaggerating etc, just explaining what has happened. I am not obese or have any special needs other than to get a baby car seat in one side and a child in the other and be able to strap him in. When this occurs it's normally in Waitrose car parks as these are awfully tight together and where I have repeatedly seen people without children use one of the 4 or 5 P&C spaces. But another shopping centre near me doesn't have any P&C spaces so you either find one on the end or take your chances. I usually try and park near a small well-parked car but there's no guarantee they won't be gone and replaced by a huge van when you get back.

BB spaces are a necessity to facilitate access to shops/services that the badge holders would otherwise be prevented from using.

P&C spaces are a courtesy that make accessing shops/services easier for parents of small children.

Frankly, I'm shocked at how many times this issue is raised and the entitlement of able bodied parents over and above the needs of BB holders.

The solution is easy. I'd simply scrap all P&C spaces and make them BB spaces and clarify that necessity of access top trumps ease of access every single time.

My post was to the ppl saying ppl get their knickers in a twist about p&c parking, not blue badge holders.

Sorry pope not really a disabled users problem is it-take it up with the shop or whoever owns the car park that decides how big the spaces are

Honestly what did people do 30 years ago when they had to go shopping with kids

The writer has no leg to stand on until they can spell & write in sentences.

Car park looked empty as well.

"Just cuz they have a Blue Badge"

Fucking hell.

There really are no words sometimes.

'Disabled with a blue badge' trumps the 'entitled-mummy brigade' EVERY TIME.

(Did we not have a thread EXACTLY the same as this yesterday? )

(And possibly the day before too???)

Sorry pope not really a disabled users problem is it

No it's not which is why I didn't say anything about disabled users and specified that my post was a response to all the people that say P&C spaces are a luxury.

I have blue badges. I will 100% use a P&C parking space and our local supermarkets tell you to use them if all badge spaces are full. She would have been told exactly where to fuck off to if she confronted me.

@popehilarious but they ARE a luxury, they are not a right or a necessity. You must have quite a large car for that to always be such an issue for you. We have my nephew most weekends and I've used a P&C space once in the last 6 months. Tend to stick to normal parking spaces and don't ever have that issue and I drive a dacia so a pretty standard sized car.

People on here do get all uptight about them, I mean look at you getting all shouty over it. Meh, it is really not something to get worked up over. Tell you what though I'd take your two kids and parking issues over my infertility any day of the week. Pretty sure those blasted disabled people using the P&C spaces would rather they your issues over theirs too. Such is life.

@popehilarious
Yes but you can just park further away and walk. You are choosing not to. I can’t do that.

I got dirty looks from a woman with a 5/6 year old last week for parking in p&c with my 16yo. I was taking her into the pharmacy in the supermarket, her narcolepsy is playing up massively atm and for some reason the supermarket decided when they extended and redone their car park to move the disabled spaces further away from the door. The only ones that were empty meant crossing the road. Whereas the p&c spaces are so close to the front they are practically in the foyer.

@popehilarious So instead of you, able bodied, having to squeeze into your car you think the disabled person who has used the last p&c spot should park in that space instead?

How exactly should they get into their car exactly? They'd be even less able to climb over than you.

Your complaint should be directed at the owner of the car park if the spaces are too small.