Who are the ‘ranty far left’?

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On the Boris thread there is reference to the ranty far left. I can’t think who they are or what they say? Maybe this is because I am one of them?!

If your stereotypical far-right ranter goes on about making Britain ‘british’ again, PC gone mad, health and safety gone mad, brussels red tape, rule britania sovreignity forever, family values etc etc

... what is it that ‘hard left’ say that right wingers take issue with?

If you're middle class - which a lot of these people are - you are insulated from a lot of the effects of social upheaval so you are free to campaign for an end to the status quo. To be clear, this lot are not campaigning for dignity for the typical working person in terms of pay (this is never mentioned), living conditions or access to services and facilities. They will just find a group of people who they identify as being oppressed, shout about how unfair it is and demand that everyone else changes their bigoted minds in some kind of kumbayah with jackboots moment. They don't actually give a fuck about said oppressed group ofc, they just want to destabilise existing structures and finding a handy victim to hang that on is fucking gold dust.

They themselves are overwhelmingly not marginalised at all by any conventional rubric, hence the simultaneous rise in queer identity politics that you get within these groups: straight white male and therefore the enemy? Just call yourself a trans lesbian or if you can't quite stomach that a queer supporter. And there's your oppression bingo card ticked and you can spout whatever bollocks you want because now you're a victim. So: aggressive or intolerant or a pervert? The hard left has a place for you.

Op I’m really sorry to use the example but it’s so spot on....like joining a campaign for self ID by men who are not remotely worried about it. But they think they look good in supporting it. Many councillors have campaigned in London without even knowing what the issues are.just jumping on a T bandwagon. That how I see virtue signalling.

I’m not white and I’m stunned the term “gammon” has come into use. Whatever I think, whatever colour I am, it’s disrespectful, derogatory etc

My SIL after the first bottle of red.

I can’t think how anyone might campaign for a national issue while knowing it wouldn’t affect them?

Well that's what "virtue-signalling" is. IMO. Campaign for stuff that makes you think you look like the most open-minded, tolerant, understanding, "woke" individual whilst knowing damn well that some other poor shmuck (and it usually is the poor) is going to have to cope with the shittier end of the deal.

@RosaWaiting I agree that "gammon" is a monumentally hostile, juvenile and divisive term. Plus most of the people using it are middle class wankers absolutely steeped in privilege.

Oh and the people arguing against air con in workplaces will say “why wasn’t there air con” the first time some poor bus driver faints at the wheel.

There’s ranters and virtue signallers everywhere, regardless of political leanings.

They will just find a group of people who they identify as being oppressed, shout about how unfair it is and demand that everyone else changes their bigoted minds in some kind of kumbayah with jackboots moment. They don't actually give a fuck about said oppressed group ofc, they just want to destabilise existing structures and finding a handy victim to hang that on is fucking gold dust

This ^ I detest the ‘hey we know what you are going through’ crap they spout while presuming I’ll join them in a spliff and guess my political views based solely on my skin colour.

Fuck off with that. They are every bit as bad as the far right. But more patronising and with drums and flowers.

"No one deserves to be paid more than the median wage". An actual quote.

Why don’t you ask Ruth Smeeth, or Luciana Berger, or Ángela eagle, or frank field, or Margaret hodge, or .... I could go on.
They are worse than ranty, corbyn’s little goblins. They’re truly nasty.

Fuma aggressive wokeness

LOL, exactly. There is a slight difference between aggressive wokeness and virtue signalling wokeness. I think social media has spawned both though. Where would they go otherwise? Certainly not down their local soup kitchen!

Also virtue signallers....people who classify me based on the colour of my skin and feel happy they are respecting multiculturalism without considering I’m an English woman and this is my culture.

@TheFastAndCurious I am actually embarrassed for some of these people, at the shit they come out with. Key for me is that they don't actually listen to people yet have no problems speaking on their behalf. Like, wtf? Everything then becomes completely glossed over by their own agenda which is the absolute opposite of what should be happening.

My personal favourite is when the right accuse the left of being a ‘do-gooder’
Like doing good things is bad

Fuma

Your post reminded me of the sinister infiltrating of calais camp by far left. They incited migrants to violence, wouldn't allow themselves to be filmed by anyone when they were with the migrants and used them for their own gains.

Op obviously many far left are brexit supporters like mcdonel and corbyn et Al however, in terms of ranty, if you go to the brexit board and write one sentence in leave way, you will be instantly drowned in the ensuing rant.

Frank field, nasty? 😂😂

Far right and far left have wafer thin line between them, all extreme meet in the middle.

And re campaigning

Using lots of electricity to raise awareness of green issues. Argh. Telling us we have to have lights off at night - it’s not the night shift workers who can’t see their feet walking back from the station who are campaigning for it. It’ll be someone well off with a huge flood lit driveway.

When the guy across the street from mum had a brain haemorrhage, his wife could barely see to get in the ambulance with him. Mum and dad held torches for her, but yannow, fucking street lights would help.

Thank goodness dad died before people started wailing about plastic in hospitals.

Anyone that isn't the ranty far right.

to me being virtuous means being good? And signalling means just showing off about it?

Thing is, the genuinely good don't need to show off or signal; IME the very best just get on with it and their example is enough for anyone of an enquiring mind who genuinely wishes to learn

So for me, real virtue signalling often involves hypocrisy - for example:

Emma Thompson's environmental ranting followed by first class flights
MPs slating private/grammar schools then sending their own kids to one
Those who "worry about slave wages" but appreciate their £5ph Filipina cleaner

And so on

I've known some phenomenally nasty people on the Left. The friend of a friend who was always gloating on Facebook about dead police officers was a stand-out.

But yeah, nine times out of ten, if someone's going on about left-wing bullying or the fascist left or whatever, it's because they've been politely asked to name a benefit of Brexit on a thread discussing the benefits of Brexit and they're acting victimised because they don't want to answer.

I would say these are the type of people who are out of touch with the “mood on the street” and are living in a bubble.
They’re into appearing to be morally superior by saying the right things (which comes easily to them because they are normally fairly educated).
However they don’t do much but that’s ok because in this social media-dominated world of likes it’s what you say and how you appear that counts.
I find them extremely intolerant of anyone else’s view. They are unable to grasp the fact that a) no one has the right not to be offended and b) however abhorrent you find someone’s view, they are allowed to have it.

Here’s Polly Toynbee figuring out the point at which she thinks the country turns Remain because of her young vs old theory.

Again, glad my Remain voting father didn’t live to see that.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/17/saturday-uk-remain-parliament-force-second-referendum

Do as I say, Not as I do.

Little Owen Jones is a good example.

All part of the disseminate distrust strategy?
Which extends to all sorts of areas of public life now, politics & health especially.
It's getting to point I'm not sure if any online persona is real.
Someone told me about this article.

"Directly confronting vaccine skeptics enables bots to legitimize the vaccine debate. More research is needed to determine how best to combat bot-driven content."