It's like the people who voted remain don't exist

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Watching Boris's speech about the country and how he's going to unite everyone, it's amazing that all the millions of people who voted remain (over 16 million) may as well not exist.

So he's not really seeking to unite the country is he? Just win votes from the Brexit party.

He'll notice their existence when he wants votes - my tory vote ( as I like out local MP) is now Lim Dem.

Boris Johnson is seeking nothing more and nothing less than his own self-gratification. He cares less than shit all for the vast majority of 'ordinary' people. Unite the country? I should coco. He's the very last person who could do that - with the possible exception of his good friend Farage.
We are deep in the shit.

Look, I voted Remain. However, realistically what do you exoenor want him to do? Theresa May tried courting both 'sides' and failed miserably. Labour have lots a huge amount of votes for seemingly sitting on the fence.

I just don't see how Brexit can be delivered while recognising people who absolutely didn't want it 🤷🏻‍♀️

*expect him to do

I'm with Milicent. Labour presented a workable (as agreed with EU negotiators) compromise and were completely slated for it. Too many people on both sides are unwilling to compromise.

I hate the way things are going, but if neither side is willing to give ground then we're screwed.

What else can he do though? He led the Leave campaign, he's spent the past three years mouthing off about how if he was PM he'd get Brexit done asap, and the Tories have vowed to uphold the result of the referendum. Ergo, he has to Brexit done. It pains me to write that, because I'm one of those 16m who voted Remain, but I fear that Brexit is going ahead, regardless of what damage it does to this country. And it will do untold damage to our economy and our influence in the world. We will be poorer and we'll take a big step back on the world stage, but that's what a small majority voted for, so at this point I think we're stuck with it.

I think at least an acknowledgement that the country is so divided would be a good starting point. I think he's making a mistake by acting as if those 16 million plus people who voted don't exist.

But what it the outcome had been remain? Then surely the ones who voted leave would feel like they 'didnt exist'. There always has to be a loser unfortunately

Lets just pretend we left and give the brexiters their blue passports, make loads of stuff more expensive, longer queues at the airport and ban them from moving to their little enclaves in Spain. They might not even notice? Lol

I think the issue was, NO ONE voted on HOW to leave. If we had been presented an option of 'If we leave, X is what we do - stay or go?' then I think you will find most people would not be kicking up a fuss.

I agree zafferana it does look like we're stuck with it now. Will we just all suck it up with no complaint? I really don't think so. The deep divisions in the country feel like they're here to stay and will get worse.

How many people who weren’t eligible to vote are, what, 20 or even 21 (if they turned 18 in July 2016) now?

But what it the outcome had been remain? Then surely the ones who voted leave would feel like they 'didnt exist'. There always has to be a loser unfortunately

The loser will be the entire country.

I think if remain had 'won' and then a PM had stood there saying this is the will of the country, this is what the people voted for, if 16 million plus had voted leave and were totally discounted and ignored, then I'd think that equally bad and think they ought to be acknowledged.

The whole country is the loser.

And the fuck did TM try to court both sides.

We've the spent the last how many decades having to listen to anti-EU sentiment and pandering to the people merrily destroying our country and taking our rights away in their own selfish interest. I hardly think they were the poor forgotten about people they're painting themselves as.

So if he had said something like "Look, I know that it was a close vote and 16m voted to remain, but more voted to leave so we are going to leave" would you feel your remain vote was acknowledged?

So if he had said something like "Look, I know that it was a close vote and 16m voted to remain, but more voted to leave so we are going to leave" would you feel your remain vote was acknowledged?

Yes

exactly how did TM try and court remainers!!!?

But what it the outcome had been remain? Then surely the ones who voted leave would feel like they 'didnt exist'. There always has to be a loser unfortunately

If the outcome had been remain by the same margin, then UKIP, the Tory euroskeptics etc (including anti-Europe Labour people) would have continued their campaign to leave.
No way would they have meekly said, 'oh, it's the will of the people' and rolled over.
It might have given the U.K. a strong bargaining position for reforms within Europe.

It's a total myth that TM did anything whatsoever for remainers

But it's one of many excuses trotted out along the lines of why Brexit hasn't happened - including blaming the press, blaming MPs, no doubt blaming the EU. No mention of the fact it's a flawed backward step for the country and a dreadful idea.

Theresa May managed to unite the country. She managed to turn everyone against her.

I am beginning to feel 'ok fuckwits go for it' With the one tiny silver lining be that having screwed the country to kingdom come - maybe it will take a thousand years before anyone trusts or believes a conservative again...

But what it the outcome had been remain?

Farage and his ilk would be calling for another referendum and campaigning for Brexit. Had a vote to remain ended with the same percentages there would be plenty of calls for reform and change to our position in the EU. Not a chance would leavers have conceded graciously while closer ties were sought with the EU on the premise of such a small majority.

But what it the outcome had been remain? Then surely the ones who voted leave would feel like they 'didnt exist'. There always has to be a loser unfortunately

They wouldn’t have ‘lost’ anything tangible though, would they? They’d just have ended up with the status quo being maintained whilst they continued to moan and snipe from the sidelines. Whereas Brexit will remove rights I currently enjoy as an EU Citizen. I’m so sick of the “shut up, you lost” attitude of leavers - and the accompanying undertones of “it’s your fault if it doesn’t work and provide everything I think I was promised, so sort it out right now because it’s the will of the people”

I am beginning to feel 'ok fuckwits go for it' With the one tiny silver lining be that having screwed the country to kingdom come - maybe it will take a thousand years before anyone trusts or believes a conservative again...

I know what you mean fontofnoknowledge And hopefully Farage will also be shown up for what he is in time although no doubt he'd try to weasel out of any blame.

TM did not court both sides

And if remain had ‘won’ i would have liked to have thought the government would have said ‘we understand that the country has massive issues with the EU so we are going to try and resolve them’

And no, i have not started drinking...yet