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To think the people on Wanted Down Under have unrealistic expectations?

219 replies

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 18/07/2019 09:52

Just watching this morning, as have a late shift. It's a 'revisted' episode so idea when it first aired. Mum has a small budget of £150,000 but wants a 'dream home' in Australia. First apartment too small, as is the second. You only have a budget of £150,000!! Eventually last house hits all the right notes, but is £60,000 overbudget. So she'll just work harder.

Planning to do Social Work, so goes to an experience day. The SW's are dealing with the case of an indigenous Aboriginal family. They work with a lot of indigenous families and their customs. Does she know anything about the Aboriginal people? No. Not done any researchHmm So what view of Australia does she have?

Everytime I watch this program the participants seem to have massive unrealistic expectations. AIBU to think they should at least know something about the Aboriginal people if they plan to move there?

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PeoniesarePink · 20/07/2019 23:13

It's interesting that very few of the follow ups seem to be "living the dream". Most haven't found the house or the jobs; the kids are miserable and the novelty of the beach/pool has long worn off.

I remember one where Mum was a midwife but hadn't been able to work locally so was having to work well over 300 miles away from the family, and the DH hadn't had any success with a job. The kids were miserable, they were stuck in a rented house but they were too ashamed to admit they'd failed and made a mistake.

Put me off ever considering it tbh. And I'd love to know the %age of who go on the show for a free holiday and how many actually take the plunge..........

MrsMiggins37 · 20/07/2019 23:19

I remember that episode @Tadpoletofrog she was actually Australian if I remember correctly but happy in Shetland and didn’t want to move back. He was miserable and bitter. I’ll be astounded if they’re still married tbh as they just didn’t seem to want the same things from life.

Trebla · 21/07/2019 03:06

If you read my comments further up the thread. 1) the selection process is rigorous and you need to be eligible for a visa to go on
2) 7 out of 10 move.
3) we are living a life that exceeded our expectations after being on the show, moving and having a revisited filmed about us.

Surprising how as a person who has actually a) been on the show and b) moved my voice has been overlooked several timw for the popular "just wants a hokiday" narrative.

It's a gruelling but enjoyable experience. It was NOT a holiday.

sixandoot · 21/07/2019 03:23

London is the capital of the UK and where the majority of the highest paying jobs are. Therefore in the UK it's the only fair comparison to Sydney
Sydney isn't the capital of Australia though ¯\(ツ)

Decormad38 · 21/07/2019 03:49

There was a friend of my DD in year 5 ( she's now 20) who moved to Aus. They were on the programme first. Apparently life is all good and her DH got employment as a brick layer which he was unable to do here at that time. It works for some.

cheeseorchickentwisties · 21/07/2019 04:13

Every state in Australia has it's own capital. Earnings in each state are relative to cost of living. If you move to the centre of Sydney then no you're probably not going to get a laid back beach lifestyle - it's a city! And an expensive one!

If you're coming to Australia for a more laid back life with beaches and bbq's then you need to look at the places that offer that. Noosa, Adelaide, Cairns to name a few.

And no it's not hot here all the time, we have seasons. It's not summer 12 months of the year. Smile And unlike the UK, we all have air con. My house has a big pergola we entertain under in the heat, fantastic air con, a pool. I bloody love summer. There is nothing better than getting a wine after work and sitting by the edge of the pool. On the weekends we have a summer home we go to by the beach that's about an hour drive away.

Yes we get bush fires, in bush fire prone areas. We get alerts when there are fires and there are bans in place in hotter months. If you live in a city it's unlikely you'll be affected by a fire that's in the countryside.

Aus84 · 21/07/2019 07:43

I think I would find the relentless sun tiresome and the heat/threat of out of control fires must have such an adverse effect on the fauna and flora.

OMG hilarious! You know Australia isn't just what they show on Crocodile Dundee right?

ObtuseTriangle · 21/07/2019 09:56

I have a much nicer lifestyle here regional NSW, to what I had in East Midlands UK. We have ordinary jobs, 40 hrs pw, a lovely detached house on 5 acres. 40 mins to the beach. DC live a very outdoorsy life, lots of sport, choice of schools with small classes. The health care system appears a lot less stretched than the UK. Yes we have some hot days, some cold days but the majority of the year it’s a nice temperature, (today was a top of 21 today low of 8) with predictable weather so activities can be predictively planned I see the odd house spider, a rare huntsman and a very rare snake passing through. SIL lives in a big city has a much larger mortgage, commute etc.

echt · 21/07/2019 10:08

I think I would find the relentless sun tiresome and the heat/threat of out of control fires must have such an adverse effect on the fauna and flora

You do know the suns doesn't shine all the time in Australia? There are clouds, it rains and snows.It's a continent as well as a country so has distinct climate (and time) zones. In Melbourne there are five seasons: spring, summer, autumn, winter and fuck you. This covers about everything the climate can throw at you.

While bush fires certainly kill wildlife, it's humans building/farming on habitat that screws them over. Bush fires can be grim, but are are also a part of the regeneration of flora, indeed some depend on it.

I'll leave it with you the fact that a number of bushfires are deliberately started by people.

echt · 21/07/2019 10:08

Jesus, a continent.

Janista · 21/07/2019 10:20

I suppose you can't blame people who haven't been to oz, haven't looked into what it's like, and just seen a film or two and watched soaps to have much idea what it's all about nowadays. We always have 2 dimensional views of what countries we've not been to are like. We just think we know Oz better and that it's almost part of "us".

But this is rapidly fading into the distance. Comparisons with the Oz of 50 or even 20 years ago of the popular imagination of quiet sleepy places are way off the mark for the reality of most Aussies lives. 80 percent of Aussies live in the major 5 cities.

I don't think people realise how large Aussie cities have become.

Melbourne is now an incredibly diverse successful and multicultural city of 5 million people of a 100 different nationalities, as is Sydney. Melb has put on nearly a million people alone in the last 7 years.

Most of these people who have immigrated in the last 20 years aren't British. They are from all over.

Most Aussies live a highly urbanised life with commuting and stress and long hours of work, with a fast paced lifestyle just like in most other major cities in the world.

This myth that has grown up that an average Brit from an distinctly average town in the "old country" can come and move to a massive house in a great suburb in one of the big cities whilst at the same time doing little work and basically enjoying a leisured life are so laughable. A tiny minority can do this.

Australia is a richer country now.

In 2019 the average Brit is now financially a fair amount worse off than the average Aussie, but that means that emigrants selling out from average towns in the uk will find themselves in relatively poor suburbs in the larger Aussie cities and way down the socio economic pecking order compared to many aussies who've lived and worked in aus for generations.

And whilst there is plenty of opportunity for betterment and happiness in a country which hasn't had a recession for 3 decades and no austerity, immigrants still need to work their way up and they do. a new Brit migrant will be competing with new entrepreneurial migrants from China and India, some who have come with plenty of money and will be living in the nicer suburbs than the Brits and want to work hard and be successful and strive - they would laugh at the idea of coming to Oz to sit on a beach and do no work.

hard work is generally rewarded.

This country is genuinely built on immigration from all corners of the world now.

But for British would- be immigrants some (not all) who arrive with an outdated feeling of superiority, and a whiff of the Colonial complex, the bubble bursting process and realising they are so out of date in their perceptions of OZ and will need to compete to be successful and build the life they want is a really rude awakening for them, and quite amusing for others Smile

cleofatra · 21/07/2019 16:39

So true janista . I also find the misunderstanding of what makes up who Australians are a little frustrating, although I totally understand that Australian settlement history probably falls quite low down on many people's lists of "what to learn about".

The convict settlement of Australia was not even over a long period of time and there were only around 160, 000 of them. Some of these were only on sentence for a short time and actually went back home or stayed. For some, staying wasn't optional as remaining was a condition of the "freedom ticket" as they were trying to populate the country but for others, it was totally a choice. In fact, many travelled to other countries and/or back from Australia. South America was a popular place to go. I don't think the conditions were great when these poor prisoners arrived by many chose to stay on for a new life.

PierreBezukov · 21/07/2019 17:05

annoys me and many other Australians just how "butt ugly" the houses they show are!!!

The houses are so ugly. Even those with a pool are ugly - the garden is usually tiny surrounded by a huge massive fence. It makes me feel claustrophobic looking at those houses and yards. All in massive suburbs. Scenery is not 'wild' but manicured and artificial - even the country parks look manicured.

I always remember what Germaine Greer said - that Australia is just like Neighbours without the neighbourliness.

cleofatra · 21/07/2019 17:14

@PierreBezukov the houses are the ones they think Brits would like. I dont know anyone in Oz who lives in a house like those. Most people I know live in wooden colonials with sweeping verandahs. These new builds and horrible brick things are NOT the norm.

cleofatra · 21/07/2019 17:16

In fact, just thinking about it. I don't have a single friend who lives in a brick house in Australia .

PierreBezukov · 21/07/2019 17:25

I wish they would show the colonial style verandah houses - they sound amazing. But maybe the Brits just couldn't afford them.

NoTheresa · 21/07/2019 18:12

So owners of piles in London could not afford the faux Colonial style houses? Hmmmm. Somehow I doubt that!🤣

JassyRadlett · 21/07/2019 18:30

the heat/threat of out of control fires must have such an adverse effect on the fauna and flora.

Having been here for thousands of years or more, the native flora and fauna are pretty good with the local weather.

MangoSpice · 21/07/2019 18:36

Does anyone remember the family from NI who were on the show? When the wife saw the awful, high, metal fences she cried and said they looked like a peace wall which was what she was trying to get away from.

JassyRadlett · 21/07/2019 18:41

So owners of piles in London could not afford the faux Colonial style houses?

My four bed SW London house wouldn’t touch the price of a Colonial or even Federation house in Sydney or Melbourne at current exchange rates, no.

I’m a Queenslander by birth so wooden homes are much more usual than in eg Melbourne where I also used to live. However the housing stock is continuously evolving. Every time I go back there’s a different feel. A lot of people live in brick/rendered homes from the last 40 years or so. A Queenslander-style house tends to be aspirational.

Crimpola · 21/07/2019 19:20

I find it such a dreary and depressing show.

I think I'm more of a Homes Under the Hammer kinda gal.

NoTheresa · 21/07/2019 19:43

I was referring to high end London property.

NoTheresa · 21/07/2019 19:45

Having been here for thousands of years or more, the native flora and fauna are pretty good with the local weather.

No deaths in bush fires? You have immortal animals and non-perishable plants? Really?

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 21/07/2019 20:37

Very interesting responses. I'm learning more about Oz!

@ScotsinOz Auatralia is so multicultural that Aboriginal people (and British, Vietnamese, Chinese etc) are just another part of it.

Sorry I didn't reply earlier. I confess to finding myself receiving an education as I knew Oz certainly wasn't a mono-culture but didn't realise how multicultural it seems to have become. That doesn't really come across even in the occasional news articles I read, some of which have included negative news reading children in refugee centres. I stand enlightened.

I totally agree that I would miss Snow!

Yes, they are the original owners of the land and their ancestors were treated appallingly, but whose ancestors weren’t?

Aboriginal people are entitled to more Government benefits, a higher rate of certain benefits over non-Aboriginal people and a lot of jobs are only for open for Aboriginal people to apply

Sorry I dont live in Oz, so who am I to say? But this sounds just a little bit dismissive, not that you are, it just sounds that way. Why are they in need of extra benefits and extra help? Is it because they are facing extra challenges above that of other ethnic groups in Australia? Of course not everyone is equal all the time, but for a particular ethnic group to require specialist provision in a capitalist society implies endemic disadvantage.

Yes we are all people, but no indigenous ethnic group rejoices in becoming a minor one in their own country, even if it's just the way the world has always worked.

That someone can rock up to a country seeking work that entails working with native peoples and feels no need to do even cursory research and crucially isn't required to, beforehand (as seems to be the case in NZ re Maori) says a lot about the status of those people.

Re: Bush Fires. I saw an interesting program once where that guy that goes around the world learning bush craft - I forget his name - did a segment with a tribe of aboriginals and they set alight sticks and gave them to their children who went to play in the bush and set it on fire. It was deliberate. Apparently they burned parts of the forest down on purpose and had been doing so for hundreds of years as a preventative measure. Fascinating.

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JassyRadlett · 21/07/2019 21:21

No deaths in bush fires? You have immortal animals and non-perishable plants? Really?

No dear. Bushfires are (mostly) a part of the natural cycle so do not have ‘adverse effects’ at a population level. In fact, fire is key part of the cycle for some of the flora. Lack of fire would have adverse effects.

The heat is normal. The native flora and fauna are adapted to it. Suggesting they can’t cope with it is rather silly.

I was referring to high end London property.

Why? To make the comparison totally meaningless?

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