Aibu to think about leaving my new job

[Minty03]

AIBU about having second thoughts about my new job that I've been in 1 month?

I should have known the tell tale signs when I came in for a 2nd time and the MD was 30mins late seeing me despite arriving on time and seeing me waiting. I almost walked out but thought I was going to be offered £1 more at least so thought that's better than all my other offers.

This company they really wanted me so raised my money. I went along with this and turned down 4 other jobs as this didnt have on call and due to 4 on 4 off 12 hour shifts a bit more money and travel was cheaper.

So far;

1. No references prior to starting
2. No DBS prior to starting
3. Did not inform me of anything I need to know in advance despite me asking
4. Did not contact me between accepting the offer and starting despite my contact
5. On start day, attempted to blame me for not having my documents so they could do their checks
6. Not telling me I had to wear a uniform so I had spent hundreds in advance for smart office clothes
7. Not telling me I had to pay £450 for mandatory training until my second week?
8. Did not induct me before I started due on week 5
9. Did not give me training before I started and still not recieved it on week 4. They seem to think training is staring at someone else's PC and that person not engaging or talking about what they're doing. Then week 2 logging me in and throwing me in the deep end. I'm capable but makes me feel poorly of them.

10. Did not give me SOP to read through. Saying they have no SOPs 11. Have not given me a job description 12. Have not given me a job specific contract 13. Have not given me my KPI to meet bonus target

Other small things that annoy me;

Manager has asked me not to use my phone but everyone else does quite openly and uses the work PC to look things up pay bills order food online shop. Might just be timings and who's in but I'm thinking something isn't right. I never let my phone use disrupt my work but sometimes theres nothing to do for 30 mins up to 2 hours.

Theres horrendous language used in office. Yes the C word very freely. Most use it in jest but one 23yo girl who's just been prompted calls everyone a C and it's not in jest, speaks poorly about every staff member behind their back and just been promoted.

Same staff member who call everyone a c* really makes me uneasy. She is very snotty. For example;

When I was watching her bored out my mind I kept making drinks and going to the loo. She complained to our manager about me getting up too much.

On my first day answering the phones she would say come on you're doing it but kept answering the phone we were sharing and signalled for me not to each time or when I asked she said no. Then when she didn't answer and I paused she got shitty with me.
I am far more educated and experienced than her. I used to send on average 50 emails a day and she took over my work space and mouse to do a simple email for me as if I was an imbicile. I had to tell her to let me do it and she got shitty.
Another example; One client didn't have a mobile number which we can usually override on the system but wouldn't allow me. She took over and shut down my form and said try again. Did it again, no luck. I inserted 11 0s and she told me its putting in false data and whatever. I said I know however it's clearly not a number. She pulled a face and turned around. Same thing happened to her and she copied me. What a surprise

I can live with this girl she's a immature girl clearly got an attitude problem and threatened by others. But she does dampen my day.

Other issues are I feel like a nuisance asking for help. Everyone is so busy and I am learning on the job but I dont feel like anyone takes the time to explain or help.

I've heard from others the pressure to do overtime. Apparently office try then manager tries then senior manager tries until owner calls to bully you into it.

My own manager works 12-16 hour days 5-6 days a week. I hope they're looking into WTD. I was hired to help her yet my induction the role is superb as you can gather.

This snotty girl said she used to do 23 hour shifts and it's just what you do for the patients. Yer like you care about anyone but yourself. Anyway she said if our manager was unwell and off we would all step up no questions asked. Maybe you love but not me. Been there done that. Is that the culture?

My own high standards. I used to train everyone and go through as much as I could in my last work place.

I left there due to poor integrity poor working practices coercion of severe overtime lack of accountability lack of professionalism, lack of management and leadership and being set up.

Trouble is my last job and this job are quite well paid and I am very employable for jobs 5-7k less but same money jobs I find it hard to get

I'm thinking stick it out for a few months but then I'll have to pay this £450 for training

urgh!

I should say a few positives

It seems a more honest work place. Seems less scheming and back stabbing than my last.
Management seem more approachable
HR might be better... even issues so far seem better than the last place
Uniform
£3 a day travel and 4 on 4 off
Most people are nice
I am capable of this job, perhaps it might not be enough but good for now

If you can bear it, I'd stay for at least 6 months as usually it takes that long to settle in, keeping in mind that you may need a reference. and the training his something you can put on your CV?

I wanted to be helpful until I got to the part where you keep referring to the recently promoted 23yo as a 'girl' and 'immature'/'threatened by others'.

Maybe you should have a little bit more respect for people.

@newmomof1

Perhaps so. That is my opinion of her. I dont think highly of her and would love to never work with her again but dont show it.

Unfortunately someone who calls colleagues and clients a C*, someone who shit stirred, back stabs, tries to take over and demean you openly in every way, someone who openly talks openly about how she wants to buy her newborn baby £150 shoes yet how she hopes her mixed race baby isn't dark skinned is someone I struggle to think respectfully of.

P.S I am also a girl in my own eyes so that isnt a term I use insulting. However immature and threatened by others is certainly my opinion of her.

Surely this depends on your other options, most people can’t just quit a job and walk straight into another. Do you have a source of income or another job offer. If not then you will have to stay for a reasonable period of time and then start applying for other jobs.

@ilovemydogandmrobama2

6 months... I can certainly try. I dont usually feel like this so quickly in a workplace. The training is job specific unfortunately. I wouldn't be able to use it in another role unless of the same type of company.

@DickieDonkey I can easily get another job but not the right pay as I have extensive experience in a particular field but not to a high level.

I am applying to keep my option open but unsettled on what I should do

@Minty03 you omitted a lot of that from your original post but I take it back, she sounds like a C herself 🤦🏼‍♀️

I'd make sure you get a proper contract before you pay for any training. Could you afford to just leave?
Or take a pay cut for one of those other jobs?

If it wasn't for the £450, I'd say to stick it out and not leave until you get a job you're confident you'll be happy in.

Is this person more senior than you? If she's on your level it may be worth speaking to a manager about the fact she's making you feel uncomfortable and not offering the support you need (emphasise the fact you just want to do the best job you can and all that bullshit). It may be they already know she's a nightmare but they can't do much at the moment because she's pregnant.

I don’t think you’re unreasonable I think I would probably feel like this too! I would see how you go but get your CV up together and look around in the meantime.

Some people are like this there’s not much you can do apart from let it go and try and not care too much but I agree it’s very annoying when you’ve worked in more professional environments.

How about contacting the other employers that offered you the other roles to see if they’re still available? Or try and focus on the positives of this job until something better comes along.

@newmomof1

The post wasnt particularly about her more that shes one factor making me sour about my new job.

Shes not a nice person and if everything else was fine she wouldn't matter as much you know.

I cant afford to leave and taken a £1.5ph cut to come here. I could take another for a short term job and then move for a higher but I am unsure. Finances was why I accepted. Better take home pay.

I'm more senior than her but shes just been promoted so unsure. No idea about the hierarchy nor the escalation route/process and where I am in that - thanks to my great induction.

Shes also pally with the manager. The manager was saying how she used to be a nightmare but it's now good to have the old "Jane" back. I was thinking jesus what was she like before! Haha

The £450 is pushing me to be more unhappy. I dont want to pay for a mandatory course I'll probably never use again in my career. I'm not on that much money!

In addi

Dear OP, I can tell you are absolutely frustrated and coming here to vent, but as an employer you are coming across as having a high opinion of yourself.
You say They won’t give you induction or help you learn, but they have tried to show you how to do an email - how are they to know it’s something you’re fine to do?- and you say that’s you being “treated like an imbecile”
I don’t doubt that there may be problems. But from your post I can guess the type of work you do and the overtime, late induction, dbs, references etc is all widespread and fairly usual. You’re always going to come across this unless you change industry.
Have you asked Ms C-bomb if she could use less offensive words? Or are you just noting what she does and getting more and more angry at her
Alternatively why not move to an employer which meets your very exacting standards- I see your previous employer is also described in extremely officious and over-the-top generic criticisms, I think there is a gap between your expectations and the reality of your field.

@oneshotlatteplease

Absolutely yes. I can appreciate your views and in some ways agree.

For me there is a way to teach someone. Some people will sit beside, give instruction and guide. Others will invade person space take over your desk huff and try do it for you. The latter I am not okay with. This is from one individual only miss C-Bomb.

My expectations from employers are high. Partly as an employee and partly as I think if you own a business I think, perhaps ignorantly and outside looking in, great care and attention to the business and employees make a big difference.

The whole office have foul language but only hers isnt in jest. I could challenge her but if I'm honest I feel if I did she would see red and she would do her best to make the day more miserable. I am hoping to just keep to myself and engaged politely and just prove myself in a quiet manner.

In regards to industry this is the first I've not had this and the management themselves have said they dont usually start people this way but the lack of care would suggest otherwise.

I am someone who tries to put care into my work and work as a team. I do struggle when people arent the same especially managers who dont lead and manage and owners who dont ensure. Too high standards for most businesses perhaps.

I've been trying to move industries but do struggle as recruiters dont usually see transferable skills.

I dont think it's an industry thing, I feel it's wrong people getting into senior positions. Some people are excellent leaders and managers and others brown nose and cover their tracks.

It's a difficult world!

Minty03 it is a difficult world and whether you like it or not you will often come across people in positions of seniority who are not very good at it, and for whatever reasons you’re unlikely to be able to change that right away unless you’re the running the business.
Speak to Ms C-bomb’s manager? Or leave and go elsewhere if it is unbearable for you.

I would never ever pay for training when I had been given a job.

They are CF's and I would not stay.

I don’t get what industry it is so have no idea what the culture usually is. Being asked to pay for training sounds weird. To be honest the detail, doesn’t matter and there’s no reason to try to convince us if you or they are unreasonable... Seems like you don’t like it there, so if you have other options, why no, just move? Or if the other options aren’t attractive, just learn to like it.

For what it’s worth I took a job that didn’t suit me, really regretted wasting three years there, I should have just left ASAP.

@OneShotLattePlease absolutely. Out of interest, if you dont mind, what interview questions would you recommend to try and discover how well run and lead a business is?

@MT2017

Mandatory as well. I'm having a meeting with HR on monday as I expressed my concerns about not being told and affordability.

What is a CF?

@mycatwontstopstaring

Its healthcare. In my opinion if they told me upfront and I agreed to the training or conditions.. no issue. I didnt know all the things I listed, however and some very important things.

I've just come out of a job I hated and loved at times but run horrendously with terrible ethics and culture. Stayed 2 years too long. That's why I am feeling this way. If there were only a few blips it'd be different but it's quite a list.

Nope not worth it. I would call back one of the other jobs and see if they are still hiring. Be honest about why you took this role (£) but say the company culture just isn’t a good fit for you. Life is too short to be stuck in a job you don’t like.

Minty03 it does not matter what questions you ask - there can be poor leaders/teams within good businesses, or an employer could lie...in the area you work profits are tight. Company culture and employee engagement are not the top of the list, neither are clients most of the time.

@Minty03
Start looking for a new job.
Life is too short to be unhappy.
Tolerate it until you find something else.
It doesn't sound great that a healthcare provider has given you no proper induction, made you pay for training and not given you a proper outline of expectations before you started. Also I hate the C word so wouldn't appreciate that. I don't think you ve come across full or yourself or unreasonable at all

@Thequaffle thankyou :)

@OneShotLattePlease I understand that. It's a flourishing and growing private business but still they dont have money to throw around In their eyes perhaps.
I keep hoping to come across a way to try pick up the red flags sooner or have a more wholesome interview where I get a better picture of the company.

@MamaMumMama. Thankyou. I dont mind too much coming across in a bad light as we all have flaws and I am very welcoming to discuss or be aware of mine.
I am disappointed in them. I'm interested in business and just wish employers would take more pride in their work.

Minty03 I’ve been there, it’s hard to get to know which businesses are well run, don’t have c-bombers running the show etc. You need to ask around, look at current/former staff on LinkedIn, glass door reviews etc some places are well run but terrible for employees. Some places are not the best, but treat staff well

Op CF is Cheeky Fuckers / Cheeky Fuckery.

Which I think describes them perfectly

Sounds like the company I joined as a learning and development manager- I did not stay long!

From my own experience, I would say if you're not happy with it now, you'll never be. I've done the "oh I'll stay a few months, its bound to get better" route so many times, and it might get slightly better, but not to the point where it is a job I want to stay in. I've moved round job wise so much over the years, but am glad to say I finally got a job where I got good vibes from the company at the interview and was delighted that they chose me. I love it and wouldn't move for all the tea in China. I'd recommend at least finding a job you like, because the culture in this one sounds a bit poo.

Surely it's illegal for them to expect you to pay for mandatory training? And for them not to tell you until your second week is really terrible.