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AIBU in thinking if you have a Council house and the Council are modernising it you shouldn't really moan about it?!

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Mydietstartstomorrow · 09/07/2019 14:00

So I'm in B&M in the queue listening to a customer moan on and on about how the Council have only given her 3 weeks notice that she is getting a new kitchen and bathroom fitted and this is totally unacceptable and how it's going to disrupt her life! Checkout lady then moans that she contacted her Housing Association to find out she's not entitled to a new bathroom for some time yet. AIBU to think some people feel so entitled? What about the people (me) who own their own home and cant currently ever imagine having the money to have a new kitchen and bathroom fitted?! Oh, and the loft was being insulated also!

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HUZZAH212 · 09/07/2019 16:23

It's very difficult to downsize now though. There just aren't enough 2 bed properties to downsize into. Those effected by bedroom tax don't want to move into 3 beds, and those not effected don't want to have to start from scratch with new carpets/flooring throughout. Those who want to buy are often still in the same position of not being able to save deposits whilst still paying full rent. Plus the money still won't be plunged into developing new housing and so the cycle continues.

HelenaDove · 09/07/2019 16:23

Stuart Hodkinsons book Private Greed Political Negligance and Housing Policy After Grenfell would educate some of you
www.ebooks.com/en-us/209674903/safe-as-houses/stuart-hodkinson/

As would Municipal Dreams The Rise and Fall of Council Housing by John Boughton.

I cant believe there are still these attitides after Grenfell and after the Barking fire. People bloody well know what is going on and STILL come out with the same old shit.

I suppose you think the Grenfell residents should still be grateful for the cladding.

And btw the new insulation is turning homes into ovens

Newbie1981 · 09/07/2019 16:23

Lost me at B & M Wink

Ribenaberriesgowoo82 · 09/07/2019 16:26

It's my job.

weleasewoderick22 · 09/07/2019 16:28

I'm baffled ribena, because that just isn't the case for the majority of HA tenants.

Ribenaberriesgowoo82 · 09/07/2019 16:29

Should add that of course it is council houses that have the RTB but if you have been in a HA then that time goes towards your discount/qualifying period. Hence my statement about many people having the RTB. Sorry that I wasn't very clear.

Ribenaberriesgowoo82 · 09/07/2019 16:29

Cross post Smile

stucknoue · 09/07/2019 16:32

It varies around the country but my friend pays more rent than my mortgage on a place half the size, council housing isn't free. You are getting confused with those on universal credit who don't pay the rent

weleasewoderick22 · 09/07/2019 16:32

I don't think I'm being very clear either. I have absolutely no right to buy the house I'm in and I've been a tenant for 25 years. I have checked on this with the HA numerous times and been told the same thing every time and so have my neighbours. It's shared ownership or nothing.

Passthecherrycoke · 09/07/2019 16:32

@weleasewoderick22

It’s my job too. I think you’ve misunderstood. You may not have RTB but many many housing association tenants do. It has absolutely nothing to do with it being a registered charity

HelenaDove · 09/07/2019 16:33

www.geog.leeds.ac.uk/fileadmin/documents/research/pfisocialhousing/MFN_PFI_Refurb_Experiences_Report.pdf
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HelenaDove Wed 26-Jul-17 14:45:25

Residents were told to remove their pets, but no compensation was offered to cover the
costs involved.
 No consideration was given to residents who worked night shifts.
 Workers used electricity paid for by of residents, without offering compensation.
 Doors were left open and residents were able to wander in unchallenged by workers
who did not know them.
 Quality alterations that residents had already made to their homes were ripped out to
make way for inferior alternatives.
 Supposedly completed electrical rewiring was found to be substandard and occasionally
dangerous.
 Supposedly completed pipe works and its housing were found to be substandard.
 In some homes, odd sized radiators and kitchen unit doors had been fitted.
 Flooding in one home had been caused by an unsupervised apprentice.
 Households were left overnight without running water or a toilet.
 At least one resident was left without electricity for a whole weekend.
 Some workers were found to be abusive, bullying and inconsiderate, especially towards
elderly or otherwise vulnerable residents

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/21/the-real-cost-of-regeneration-social-housing-private-developers-pfi?CMP=share_btn_fb

Hodkinson carried out a qualitative survey of 14 homes refurbished by Rydon that had been the subject of a huge number of complaints. Showers were fitted next to electric fans. A toilet was installed so close to a wall that you could only sit on it sideways. Some households went for days without electricity and weeks without cooking facilities. Cupboards were fitted with wrongly size doors. Tenants who complained reported that they were treated dismissively. One remembered the site supervisor saying to him, “It ain’t Chelsea, mate.” Regenter’s out-of-hours emergency line linked to the wrong database, so callout engineers weren’t available. The striking thing was how long problems could drag out: one family’s flat was flooded in January 2014, and repairs weren’t even scheduled till September. Two years later, their flat still hadn’t been fully repaired and redecorated. Even at the most straightforward level, the work wasn’t done to a decent standard.

When approached for comment, Rydon said that since the complaints were made, three years ago, attempts have been made to remedy the problems. They said the comments were not reflective of most of the residents, and that there was a good level of satisfaction among the residents now.

For tenants with more complicated requirements, the situation was worse. The Cifuentes family, one of whom used a wheelchair, was left without ramps, hoists or any means of escape in a fire, and without a lock on the front door. Repairs were so slow and haphazard that, at one point, the family had to move out for over a month, and the disabled member could only have his needs met by going into a respite unit – whereupon they were threatened with losing their carer’s allowance, their disability allowance and their car

There were countless other concerns, which Stuart Hodkinson reported to the Health and Safety Executive, as well as to senior officers and elected members of Lambeth and other London councils, the fire service, the gas, water and electricity boards – anyone he could think of. “The response was generally pathetic,” he says.

The Health and Safety Executive took six weeks to reply, then apologised for the “ridiculous amount of time it had taken to investigate”, but did offer two important revelations – that Regenter as the principal contractor did not have an efficient system for managing and monitoring the 14 sub-contractors on site when they visited; and that cuts to health-and-safety funding meant that their scope for investigating and enforcing standards was reduced. Hodkinson was told to contact the Trading Standards authority, but residents across different council housing regeneration schemes told him there was no point as “local authorities do not investigate themselves

Passthecherrycoke · 09/07/2019 16:33

RTB criteria is set by the government not the HA. They only have a choice if you have right to acquire

Mrsjayy · 09/07/2019 16:33

Goodness when will people learn their place in life and just be grateful for once jeez Grin

Btw to that poster a few hundred£s on putting a bsthroom in doesn't mean s person can afford a mortgage !

LakieLady · 09/07/2019 16:34

I honestly don't think many landlords, private or LA, would allow any "improvement". It's too risky mainly, they can end up with badly done work, unsafe and would cost a fortune to fix for the next tenant.

My local council will allow certain works, but it's beset with controls. Plans, materials and contractors have to be approved well before commencement of the work, and the contractor has to show proof that they carry a huge amount of indemnity insurance. It puts most people off.

Otoh, they won't put in showers unless it's a disability adaptation and they certainly won't install new cookers etc, even if people are prepared to pay for them.

MIL still lives in the council house they moved too more than 58 years ago. My late FIL refused to have gas connected as he thought it was unsafe, there's not even a main to the property. When the council upgraded everyone's central heating a few years ago, they were gobsmacked. They had no idea it hadn't been installed back in the 70s and they damn near insisted MIL have gas connected and CH put in.

She wouldn't have it, and absolutely refused to have the front garden dug up on the grounds that "some of those roses took 20 years to get established".

weleasewoderick22 · 09/07/2019 16:35

I'm in the south west and no housing association have a right to buy scheme. It may be the case in your area, but is most definitely not in mine.

FrenchyQ · 09/07/2019 16:39

3 weeks isn't alot of time to organise how you are going to cater for a family without a proper working kitchen (cooking and washing up), especially with the summer holidays coming up too.

We had a new kitchen in our old council house...they broke my cooker and didn't leave enough room for a full size fridge freezer so we had to put it in the hallway

stickerqueen · 09/07/2019 16:41

I'm with a ha and we can do improvements has long has we get permission first.

My mum has a council house and she can do improvements too with permission. She had her own kitchen and bathroom fitted and changed the windows. She gave up waiting for them to do it. She had single glazed windows til 5 years ago.
now the council's ready to do up her house themselves.

Mrsjayy · 09/07/2019 16:41

I think RTB is different area to area I know we have housing association and council here and nobody can buy HA houses which is fair enough

PinkCrayon · 09/07/2019 16:43

I actually think it depends where you are in regarding the quality My dh has worked in numerous newbuild developments and told me how on some of the developments the council houses have better fixtures and fittings than the ones to sell.

Mrsjayy · 09/07/2019 16:44

When we were in a council house we replaced the kitchen with permission

LakieLady · 09/07/2019 16:44

I'm tired of seeing single people who's families have grown up still living in 3 bedroom houses. It's the housing equivalent of bed blocking.

I have quite some sympathy with that view. But then I look at my lovely MIL who regards her magnificent garden as her greatest achievement, and think how it would break her heart if she had to give it up. Why should she have to? It keeps her fit and well, too, she'll be 81 next month and still spends a couple of hours gardening every day when it's not below zero or pissing with rain.

We've all said that if they start insisting she move out of her 2-bed house and into a one-bed flat, we'll raise the money for her to buy it under RTB so she can stay there.

And if the government was prepared to fund new social housing, it wouldn't be an issue. There would be costs in the short-medium term, but in the long run, it's cost neutral. MIL's house would have cost a couple of grand to build, at most, back in the 1950s. They've always paid full rent, so they've paid for it several times over.

PinkCrayon · 09/07/2019 16:44

Oh and yanbu op.

Passthecherrycoke · 09/07/2019 16:45

@weleasewoderick22 many housing associations are nationwide or cover large parts of the country- I’ve worked for several that do. I doubt you’d know whether there are any RTBs in your whole region tbh and what you’re saying doesn’t match up to what myself and another poster who work in the industry have experienced. But tbf, the thread isn’t really about that

IHaveBrilloHair · 09/07/2019 16:50

No RTB where I am in Scotland, though I do have a lifetime tenancy, I'm wanting to move to a different HA and don't know if I'll have one there.

HelenaDove · 09/07/2019 16:53

Moan about HA tenants getting something for "free" but then moan when they arrange and pay for work themselves.

Wow HA tenants really cant win.

@weleasewoderick22

Im sick of tenants being blamed for the housing crisis when we have HAs selling properties off at auction as hoiliday homes.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/3304710-Dispatches-Getting-Rich-from-the-Housing-Crisis