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To think the Mail on Sunday were wrong to publish the leaked Ambassador’s memos?

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AtmosClock · 07/07/2019 23:59

Just that. It completely undermines what we expect of our ambassadors. And there was no public interest

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HarperIsBazaar · 07/07/2019 23:59

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AtmosClock · 08/07/2019 00:03

They were critical of President Trump and his administration

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pickme · 08/07/2019 00:06

I think the use of the word "mischief" sums up all we need to know, they wanted Trump to know and this could be awkward for the PM and the special relationship in the light of Brexit and new trade deals
Remind me who is the PM now? Really a new one? Why! Who could that be?

PerkingFaintly · 08/07/2019 00:20

I agree that making such comments is exactly what we expect of our ambassadors. As the Foreign Office spokesman said, "We pay them to be candid."

Trump administration is 'inept and insecure', says UK ambassador
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48898231

There's now an investigation into the leak.

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AtmosClock · 08/07/2019 08:32

Exactly, it’s what they’re paid to do. It just feels like the MoS undermining another important institution

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PerkingFaintly · 09/07/2019 20:28

The Mail on Sunday and whoever helped them.

Now Sir Kim won't be at the meeting with UK trade sec Liam Fox and Ivanka Trump (and WTF Shock at the idea of Ivanka Trump / international trade meetings anyway. This is ruling dynasty shit).

And Fox's meeting with US commerce sec Wilbur Ross has been cancelled.

This shit show is growing by the minute.

Trump 'disrespectful' to PM and UK, says Jeremy Hunt
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48921243

AnneElliott · 09/07/2019 21:08

I think if they hadn't - then other papers would have done so. That's what a free press does.

The issue is the civil servant, SPAD or Minister that leaked them.

NameChange9854 · 09/07/2019 21:17

I agree that they would have made it to the public anyway and I actually do think they're in the public interest. Brexit makes out ability (or inability) to rely on our relationship with the US all the more important.

PerkingFaintly · 09/07/2019 21:23

Yeah, I agree that once leaked they would probably have been published by someone.

But it's absolutely not in the public interest for the ambassador's report to his employers to be published. The public might be interested, but that's not the same thing.

It doesn't even seem to contain anything secret – no new information – but the Trump-baby is tantrumming because of his hurt feelings.

So now we have a diplomatic incident.

PerkingFaintly · 09/07/2019 21:26

I'd also put money on HMQ holding a dim view of the Orange One.

But she doesn't go up to him and say it out loud (as the Mail has now effectively done), because that's entirely different from saying it privately or to the UK government.

edsheeranpaidmoretaxthanccola · 09/07/2019 21:27

I'm struggling to get past Ivanka Trump in International trade meetings. Wtf!

longwayoff · 09/07/2019 21:48

It's a ploy and it's a ducking disgrace, stitch up by the Bannon brigade. Oh look, just Ivanka and her tray of bracelets tucked up with Liam Fox. Ffs this bloody country has gone insane.

MeltedCrayons · 09/07/2019 21:59

I heard that the statement on our side was "we don't necessarily agree with what was said"

So they do agree, they just can't say it in public!

RedSheep73 · 09/07/2019 22:01

It's the Mail, being wrong is their raison d'etre. What I can't understand is why Trump is having such a paddy about it. Everyone thinks he's inept and dysfunctional, because he us.

Ivegotthree · 09/07/2019 22:06

Agree OP

PerkingFaintly · 09/07/2019 22:11

The truth hurts, RedSheep! Never tell a narcissist the truth!

NameChangeNugget · 09/07/2019 22:24

The ambassador should have stuck to dishing out Ferrero Rocher at his reception.

PerkingFaintly · 09/07/2019 22:26

Why, NameChangeNugget?

PerkingFaintly · 10/07/2019 12:25

So whoever leaked the emails has now got what, presumably, they wanted. Darroch has resigned.

Sir Kim Darroch resigns as UK ambassador to US
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48937120

Havingarethink · 10/07/2019 14:25

So I'm hearing that the usual suspects (Brexiteers with questionable agenders) are calling for him to be sacked as Trump is refusing to deal with him.
The irony that they voted out of EU because they don't want to be dictated to, only to follow orders from this fucking loon is astonishing.

PerkingFaintly · 10/07/2019 15:10

Yes, notable silence from the posters who were wailing and starting handwringing threads complaining that Juncker was a bully and was insulting Theresa May.

I think he'd said something like she was unprepared for Brexit, or that the Leave bus was misleading, or some other entirely true and mildly put observation.

Similarly Obama saying the UK would need new trade deals with the US if it voted Leave, but would be at the back of the queue behind the US's existing list of trade deal work.

Wail-y wail-y wail-y "we won't be bossed around", from Brexiteers.

But Trump insults May and the British ambassador, and tries to tell the UK who we can and cannot employ...

Silence. Or outright Trump-licking.

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