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To HATE sending dds to their fathers house? * severe trigger warning*

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Bubblemama · 02/07/2019 21:05

I was in a deeply emotionally and sexually abusive relationship for 5 years with a manchild who did and said some of the most atrocious things I've ever encountered. I was so emotionally and mentally beaten down I wished for my own death. I didn't get out sooner, I was scared and alone. I had literally nowhere to go and didn't realise how bad things were. I expect to be judged on this, I judge myself on it every single day.

I have two DDs who he fathered. He's always been feckless and played favoritism for the eldest making the youngest feel utterly unwanted. After many discussions he finally started treating DD2 better, still not equal to DD1.

I don't want to send them anymore.

I've threatened to stop visits in the past due to horrible things he's done but he always says I'm using them as weapons and I feel guilted into sending them again. The situation isn't healthy for the girls. I know that. I hate him but I've tried to be cordial for the last 6 years. Invited him into my home for birthdays and xmas' only to have him not thank me and my DH but actually insult us in our own home. We put a stop to it. Can't tolerate bullies.

For some background:

  • I broke up with him repeatedly, he wouldn't leave my life or my home and threatened suicide. I was badly raised and thought this was normal of a partner. I was young and frankly very stupid naive.
  • If I wore makeup he'd infer I was a whore.
  • He'd tell me how I'd look so much better dressed a different way. Changing my entire wardrobe to suit him.
  • He raped me in my sleep the entire relationship, I didn't know until DD2 appeared from nowhere when we were broken up. I'm a very deep sleeper and have sleep paralysis often. He told me he has sexomnia. I've already been to court for rape once and don't want to ever do that to myself again. Sexomniac rape apparently doesn't count in court. I don't know if he's lying.
  • He would remind me on my birthday every year about the miscarriage I had as a teen and about when I was raped at 16.
  • He would spend all his paycheck on video games and clothes and then rely on my tiny benefits for bills and food.
  • He would chat up his exes in secret and bar me from talking to male friends.
  • I was completely socially isolated from my friends and don't have any family and he would make fun of it.
  • He allowed his mother to insult me for anything and everything, which she did in text form at least 20 times a day from the day I met her until the day I reported her to the police for it.

This isn't even the half of it towards me.

For the last few years he's done some things I think border child abuse or neglect. He claims he didn't know it was wrong and apologises but then does something else.

  • His house is filthy, absolutely filthy. The girls ALWAYS come back sick. I've called him up on it repeatedly and still they come back with sickness bugs, infections, this past time DD1 has come back with varrucas from being barefoot in his KITCHEN. It's the only place she's been barefoot in the time frame. No one has them here and we haven't been anywhere she could have been exposed to them.
  • He's made loud sexual remarks in front of them. (at sight of busty woman walking past he said "HEH, jiggle physics").
  • He's driven in the car with them not belted in.
  • He's told them to lie to me. DD1 had eaten part of a plastic lighbulb in his care (She has SEN), he told them not to tell me and they were really terrified to.
  • He gave DD1 (With SEN) a black eye by slamming a door in her face to avoid her seeing a birthday present meant for her, a month after her birthday. He didn't tell me as he never does, and hoped it would fade in time for drop off.
  • He let them watch Bob's burgers, South Park, Family Guy as a 2&3year old. I didn't find out until they were 3&4 and could tell me themselves. Angry He still allows them access to adult games and TV. They're only 6&8.
  • He has zero common sense and treats them like his mates rather than his children.
  • He's a self branded "nice guy" and talks in a very entitled manner about women. He can't see how his opinions can and do influence the girls negatively.
  • When I moved out (finally) he told me that moving the tax credits into my name solely would leave him homeless and did I really want that on my conscience. He was genuinely prepared to see my daughters go without essentials so he could pay rent in the house he bullied me and the girls out of.
  • He let's them stay up until after 10pm.

I just don't know what to do. The girls like him I think and like seeing him but I do genuinely feel it's more out of pity for him as he guilts them the entire time they're there. Always talking about his money problems and stuff as if they're his friends.

When I get them back they're irritable, badly behaved and act like a 50 year old man. Dealthy worried about money and pleading with me on why I can't share my money with him or have us all live together under the same roof.

More on the sexomnia thing. He tells my girls he kicks and punches in his sleep so they can't share a bed with him. It makes my stomach turn to have them tell me this lie when they get home.

WIBU to stop sending them? He's a really nasty piece of work but is very good at manipulation. I'm so worried he'd take it to court and be granted 50/50.

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Bubblemama · 02/07/2019 21:11

Should state, right now he doesn't see them often only once a month for 4 days at a time, we moved to Cardiff last year for work which is about 4 hours away from him where he lives.

It takes at least a week for them to emotionally balance out again and get their routines back.

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hardyloveit · 02/07/2019 21:12

From what you have said please please please don't send them to that disgusting excuse of a man ever again!!!!

I'm so sorry you went through the abuse from him!

Queenofthestress · 02/07/2019 21:12

Stop sending them and get social services involved. There is no way on earth I would be sending my kids into a health hazard of a home.

Lllot5 · 02/07/2019 21:17

I wouldn’t send them if he wants to see them he can take you to court where you can say all this.
If he can be bothered to take you of course.

Bubblemama · 02/07/2019 21:21

I'm so worried he'll go to court and win or that the girls will hate me for it. Sad

I'm just at my wits end of undoing the damage every time they've seen him. He tells me he's a good dad and I just can't fathom how he's come to that conclusion, and I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt for a long time. The girls do get excited to go and I don't want to hurt them.

He makes out like all these things are fine and normal and it only occurred to me last week that he's still being emotionally abusive with me to minimise the stuff he does.

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SittingAround1 · 02/07/2019 21:23

Don't send them again. Is there anyway you can apply for supervised visits if he insists on seeing them ?
It sounds like he's really damaging them.

greenwaterbottle · 02/07/2019 21:23

Do you have evidence that he abused you, police records etc.
I would let him take you to court, could he really be bothered.

RedXIII · 02/07/2019 21:24

Firstly, well done for getting out of the relationship!
Secondly, from what you've described, it sounds like DD's are not safe in his care (seat belts and bruising etc). Also, if there was any truth on this sexomnia, then maybe they would be at risk too?
Don't send them to such a misogynistic idiot. If you are worried about 50/50 care, document everything and it would be highly unlikely that would be granted.

SittingAround1 · 02/07/2019 21:25

The girls won't hate you. They might resent you later in life if you don't protect them.
Is there anyone you can talk to about this? Social worker for instance

frazzledasarock · 02/07/2019 21:25

Of course stop sending them.

He gives them black eyes

They’ve eaten light bulbs whilst under his care

He tell them to keep secrets and lie to you

They are sick each time they visit him

He makes sexual remarks in front of them

He allows them to watch inappropriate content on television

He mistreats the youngest

What does he need to do for you to think he’s finally too dangerous to leave your helpless young children under his care?

Stop all contact. Go to your GP, report him to SS. Bloody hell what part of your post tells you this man is a safe person to leave your very children with?

Absofrigginlootly · 02/07/2019 21:26

Jeez no. Contact social services and tell them everything. Get it all documented and cease contact. Let him go to court and have social services present all the evidence you told them.

Tbh, if you don’t do this and something happens to the children, you will be in a lot of s**t for not taking steps to prevent this situation and safeguard your children in the first place
Good luck

frazzledasarock · 02/07/2019 21:26

Court is very expensive. Is he rich that he can drag you to court a lot?

PositiveVibez · 02/07/2019 21:29

He hates women/females.

Keep them away as much as you can. Document everything. Let him tale you to court. I'll bet he won't.

We'll done for escaping from him. Stay strong OP Flowers

PositiveVibez · 02/07/2019 21:30

*take

Bubblemama · 02/07/2019 21:34

He always throws it in my face telling me that I'm using the girls as weapons and can't take them away from him because he's a good dad.

I'm not that kind of person at all and desperately wanted my children to have both parents, even after a breakup. When something has happened I've talked to him about it, he's apologised and we've tried to move on. I have sent angry messages over it and he acts like I'm batshit for being mad. Then something else happens. I feel like I have to tell him how to parent, and then I worry myself sick the whole time they're away.

He's really good at making me feel like I'm the bad guy. I'm devastated it's taken me this long to realise the full extent of it. You're all so right. I need to protect my girls from him. I just needed someone outside to tell me that. Up close its been normalised as "learning to be a better dad" and pleading to give him more time.

He's had long enough.

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RubberTreePlant · 02/07/2019 21:42

He always throws it in my face telling me that I'm using the girls as weapons and can't take them away from him because he's a good dad.

That's part of the abuse.

You need to protect them.

jerryg · 02/07/2019 21:43

He's still manipulating you. Please don't let him damage your children as he has undoubtedly damaged you. He is not a good father, and you have plenty of evidence of this. Trust your instinctsFlowers

Jammydodger1981 · 02/07/2019 21:52

Does he admit to these things over text? Idiot. Even my dickhead ex knows better and lies through his teeth over text, denying everything.

It’s good for you and the girls though. You have some evidence these incidents are happening rather than ‘he said she said’ which you should show to social services and refuse to send them.

Soontobe60 · 02/07/2019 21:52

Disregarding what he has done to you, if you have any concerns about how he is treating your children then why on earth have you continued to allow them to go there?
You need to stop now, and let him take you to court. If he has already been t court accused of your rape then there will be enough concern there anyway.

UnicornRun · 02/07/2019 21:56

No more visits. Go no contact. He can take you to court he wont win.

Gindrinker43 · 02/07/2019 21:58

You need some professional help and support. If you have no where else to go talk to your Health Visitor and get some sensible advice. It does sound like your children are at risk with him.

Bubblemama · 02/07/2019 22:12

@Soontobe60

It wasn't him I took to court. It was the man who raped me when I was 16. I lost due to a jury deciding it was my fault for talking to him, I thought he was my friend he was my age.

I will never put myself through that process again. I can't. It took two years from report to get it to court. The police, CPS, the judge, the prosecution, all believed me. But 10/12 members of the public failed me.

I'm morbidly embarrassed that I was raped by ex too and have only very recently admitted it to myself. I think I thought it was normal for couples to do this.

Ex claims he is a sexomniac. Sexomniac rape is very hard to prove, even proven it is usually always thrown out as not being intentionally done. It was done all the same.

It sounds utterly stupid now but at the time I assumed I was overheating and removing my own pj's in my sleep. I often removed my socks in my sleep growing up, with no memory of having done so.

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Iggly · 02/07/2019 22:17

So this isn’t even court agreed contact??

Let him take you to court but build up evidence of his mistreatment. I can’t imagine he’d do this.

Bubblemama · 02/07/2019 22:21

What do I tell my girls when they ask for their dad?

I have an amazing DH now, who is an incredible parent and has stood by me through all of this. I think having such a good male role model in my daughters lives has really shown me whats wrong there.

It's so hard to accept such a big mistake, knowing it's all my fault. I feel awful it's gone this long.

I won't send them again. I will fight him. I was expecting to be told to stop policing his visits tbh. Some part of me still believes his BS about being a good dad. I really needed to be told I'm not crazy for worrying for their safety with him. Thank you all.

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mollpop · 02/07/2019 22:30

I admire you for doing the right thing and deciding not to send them again.

Please be gentle with yourself, none of this is your fault. Stay strong, you're doing an amazing job x

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