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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

It's an in law vent!

50 replies

Witsendagain · 02/07/2019 10:20

Bil and Sil have been staying with us for a few days, we live abroad and only see them maybe twice a year.
They don't have kids, we have an 18 month old.
I don't know if I'm being unreasonable as I've been dreading the visit anyway. Bil and Sil are very uptight, they like things their way on their time scale, don't really do 'down time' and are very focused on ticking tourist boxes. The complete opposite to how we operate as a family.
They are visiting us as part of a longer holiday in our country which is absolutely fine but they are making no allowance for our son. They have literally bounced from one tourist thing to another taking a few pictures in each one then left. We've had to push them to stop for food etc (they brought their own snac bars). Ds will be sobbing and we will be telling them we need to go somewhere for food and they will still pop into every shop etc. but also act really funny with us if we offer to go wait for them in a coffee shop.
Annoying but not a major problem.

Then they are being really crappy with my son, shouting at him for doing things we've told him are OK. For example me and ds were playing with some toys by tipping them onto the floor and counting them back in to the box, bil came out from another room shouting at my ds that he was naughty for chucking his toys around. They have told him off or told him that he's naughty at least 5 times per day over the 2 days they have been here. He is not naughty but has been a bit whiny because his routine has been completely upended!
They told me I was 'rewarding his bad behaviour' because ds was throwing a tantrum (tired, overwhelmed and thirsty/hungry) so I settled him down for a breast feed. I then got the silent treatment when I said I didn't agree with them.
I feel bil is being mean to ds, deliberately scaring him then laughing about it, offering him things (like a biscuit) then saying 'no it's not for you' and eating it in front of him, that kind of thing.
Then bil has made loads of comments along the lines of 'ds is a perfect example of why not to have kids' and 'why would you want a second when they are nothing but hard work' and how normal playing noise is 'an unpleasant environment'. I get that I'm biased but ds is a beautiful, funny and joyful toddler who loves people and sharing but, admittedly, has some normal 18 month old tantrums over food and drink, tiredness and (occasionally) being forced to do something he doesn't want. Most of the time he is happy to go with the flow.
So far I have been biting my tongue (mostly) because they are only here for a couple of days and the relationship is really important to my dp.
But last night I could see them through the crack in the door where I was playing with ds and they were whispering about us and our parenting and generally being really judgy and rude so I've reached the end of my tether. They were due to leave this morning anyway and I've told my dp they won't be welcome in my house again. I don't think dp is in agreement so I just wanted some opinions on whether or not you would find this acceptable.

As back ground, they are from a medical background and are, to put it politely, disparaging over dps medical issues (making comments such as 'what's wrong with him now' and rolling their eyes at each other). They have also critiqued every single meal I've made them and not thanked me once.
I guess I'm just a bit fed up!

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Witsendagain · 02/07/2019 12:02

Just to be clear I put my child's welfare above everything. I just mean I haven't been confrontational upon pulling them up about things. Instead I have take ds out of situations I'm not happy with to go splash in puddles or something equally fun. I've told ds and bil that xxx is fine for D's to do, or we don't actually have a problem with xxx, but by that point he's already been told off. And with the biscuit thing I gave ds his own biscuits whilst telling bil it was mean. With the tour thing and stopping for food etc I've just gone and done whatever ds needs and put up with the resulting eye rolls, barbed comments and quite obvious bitching amongst themselves.

Dp has a lot of guilt because at every opportunity bil tells dp how horrible it was to have him as his brother because of dps health issues. How dp is the favourite and bil is always ignored and overlooked etc etc. Dp is aware of what has been going on and says he isn't happy about it to me but he is a people pleaser, very family orientated and hates confrontation so he has yet to put his money where his mouth is and defend us. It's left down to me to gently protest otherwise dp then gets anxious about upsetting bil and Sil.
Thank you all for your comments I wasn't sure if I'd just hyped myself up and was looking for things to be cross about. Especially as I'm hormonal this week!
Please rest assured my baby's wellbeing is of utmost importance. He is as loved and happy as ever, we've had a relaxed morning playing and cuddling on the sofa and are now off down to the park to feed the ducks at a nice leisurely pace. There will almost certainly be cake involved! So he isn't feeling ill effects of bils dickishness!

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Nonnymum · 02/07/2019 12:06

They sound really horrible. I'm sorry you've had to put up with this. I think you should get your husband to talk to them they are his responsibility, I can understand why he might be reluctant to tell them they cant visit again but you can't accept them being horrible to your child.
Also they are being very, very rude treating your hospitality this way. You are not being unreasonable not wanting them to come back if they behave this way.

EKGEMS · 02/07/2019 12:08

Your husband isn't family oriented if he lets two fuckers come into your home and harass and tease and be cruel to your baby and you! He's a limp noodle to tolerate that! He should've thrown the two assholes out the door!

MzHz · 02/07/2019 12:22

How on earth can they stay in your home, insult your hospitality, your dh and your child without being shown the nastier end of a hob nail boot up their bottom?

You need to tell them to alter their itinerary and get moving from your home today and for the avoidance of confusion to never ever consider visiting you and your family again until they are able to apologise for disrespecting your home, criticising your cooking, parenting, sneering at your dp, insulting your child and being cruel and mean to him, and to ensure they never ever behave like this with you or your family again.

Your poor dp, his illnesses aren't a choice! Who the fuck had a pop at someone who’s ill?

MzHz · 02/07/2019 12:23

I would not expect dp to stand up for himself tbh, he’s been conditioned not to and somehow he needs someone to stand up for him.

ElektraUnchained · 02/07/2019 12:31

So BIL is a bully to your DP as well as you and your DC. And has married someone equally dickish.

Fuck them. They would not be welcome in my home and I would not want DC to have contact with them. DP can see them o his own if he wants.

CalmdownJanet · 02/07/2019 12:38

Seriously? So your dp's desire to have a good relationship with this knob and his equally knobby wife means you and ds have to put up with this shit? Eh nope.

When they leave I would say "Thanks for visiting, best you leave it longer next time, you both have been beyond rude and I won't have you come into my home and treat me and my family as you have. Oh and bil, dp isn't the favourite because of his health silly, it's because you are a cunt "

Witsendagain · 02/07/2019 12:58

@elpapadelapepa I did wonder if that were the case but I'm not sure.
As a bit of background when I was expecting mil, fil, bil, sil, dp and myself had a conversation about ds's arrival where they said they wanted children but not for at least 5years and outlined their very valid reasons for waiting. Then mil and fil came to me just after Ds was born asking if I knew what bil and sil plans were and that they were expecting announcements from them soon. I reminded them of the conversation and advised them not to badger bil and Sil about it as they had been clear on their wishes and we should respect that. Its not beyond belief that mil and fil have been asking but I don't think it's that.
As for pictures of ds they all get a group Snapchat so everyone sees the same pictures so I doubt they've been being shown pictures and pressured by anyone and in any case by their own admittance they want kids but not yet.
We also definately haven't been talking to anyone about having a second. In fact we are clear we want a looong gap between kids due to a very complicated pregnancy and labour. The whole subject only came up because bil showed us a pic on his phone of ds when he was new born a Di said awww seeing that makes me want another! In a very light hearted, flippant way. So Im inclined to think that's not it!

Anyway it seems unfair that my child is bearing the brunt of any of their own issues when I've consistently done as much as I can to protect them from external pressure because I know how hard and unpleasant it is to deal with!

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Gth1234 · 02/07/2019 12:59

Why don't you let them go off on their own to see the touristy things, and just meet up somewhere at some point.

roisinagusniamh · 02/07/2019 13:05

You need to seperate from extended family and concentrate on building and strengthening your own unit.
I had to do this a long time ago when my family thought they had the right to comment upon and criticise things.
Lessen their importance in your life. It's about yopu, you H and baby now.
Good luck.

Hadalifeonce · 02/07/2019 13:11

I understand your frustrations, and not wanting these people to enter your house again.
I would rather not see DH's sisters, for years DH could not see 'my problem' and was quite insistent that we all get together quite often.
The a couple of years ago I spelled it out in detail and gave him several examples of obnoxious behaviour, it was a light bulb moment for him. Now we have long discussions about how we can avoid contact as much as possible; in fact the only reason we see them at all is that PiL are very elderly, and we know they would be very upset if they thought there was a rift in the family.

SavingSpaces2019 · 02/07/2019 13:27

Dp has a lot of guilt because at every opportunity bil tells dp how horrible it was to have him as his brother because of dps health issues
Your DP is now a grown man AND lives in a different country to these bullies.
It's his choice to tolerate them bullying him....but he's got no right to expect you and DS to also tolerate it.
If he refuses to stand up for you in your own home then i'd be telling him where the fucking door is.

FamilyOfAliens · 02/07/2019 13:34

What are they doing at the moment, OP - have they gone out on their own, leaving you with a bit of time to pack their bags? Grin

Happynow001 · 02/07/2019 13:37

OP why, on God's Earth, do you put up any if this - in particular how these rude, ungrateful people treat your son?

I'm glad you've told your partner they will not be welcome in your home again. I hope also that he develops a backbone should anything like this happens again..

Witsendagain · 02/07/2019 13:56

They left as planned first thing this morning!

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Horsemenoftheaclopalypse · 02/07/2019 13:59

They sound awful and their behaviour is frankly outrageous.

And I think you were more than tolerant/generous in terms of allowing them to be rude prior to “the eviction”.

Honestly though the bigger issue is the general dysfunction of the relationship.
The BIL suggesting your DH is the golden child because he has chronic long term illness and having a rigid schedule ignoring a child’s basic needs is bonkers.
They should be doting over your son and spoiling him not shouting at him Sad

the whole situation sounds toxic.

cakeandchampagne · 02/07/2019 14:01

Kick them out immediately for abusing your child.

AquaFaba · 02/07/2019 14:27

I hear you! I had this with my sil and bil who came to stay for a long weekend with their 3 children when our DS was 2.5 months old.
I prepared lunches and evening meals and assumed they would be well able to go into the kitchen to prepare their own breakfast (esp as I was breastfeeding at the time)
But no! Came downstairs to find them criticising me and how they’d do things differently...

SolsticeBabyMaybe · 02/07/2019 14:39

Wow, they would NEVER be invited back!

Bet life's going to be all the more sweet when you see the back of them!

Disfordarkchocolate · 02/07/2019 15:24

I'd be having sharp words with my husband @Witsendagain, he needs to rethink which family he is oriented to.

Someone needs to tell his brother to grow up, your husband could not help his health issues and no one needs to guilt him about these.

ChesterDrawsDoesntExist · 02/07/2019 16:52

Say this all to them.

Fucking explode if you have to.

They absolutely cannot judge your parenting when they have not had children themselves. I know a lot of people make their kids out to be great when anyone (childless or not) can see they're really out of control brats but I believe what you say here.

Tell BIL to grow the fuck up when he's teasing your son.
Tell BIL to shut the fuck up when he's having a go at your son.
Tell your BIL to fuck off and go home when he's pushing you guys around and won't stop.

My own DF and DSM are touristy people and on a recent holiday did nothing but walk and walk and walk, not even stopping to look at the sights (actually it was more like endlessly marching) and wouldn't stop for our children (who had never been abroad before so had never experienced 35C+ heat) so the kids were in hell. Tired, boiling hot, thirsty, hungry and desperately trying not to moan about it so I blew up and point blank refused to take another step until my kids had rested and been bought drinks.

Do it. Get him told.

ElizabethMountbatten · 02/07/2019 17:12

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Dinomom52 · 02/07/2019 18:12

Maybe your DP is the favourite because his brothers an arsehole.

Seriously op, never let them stay again. None of you need their kind of attitude.

Sweetpea55 · 02/07/2019 20:10

They sound right cruel bastards treating a child so spitefully. What's wrong with your DP allowing this to happen..or you for that matter. Your house..your rules.
Say something for godsake

falcon5 · 02/07/2019 20:23

Well.. they are gone and times a great healer... so PRINT out your OP and if they are coming again in a year and you are tempeted to let them stay, read it to yourself and remember to say hell no to them staying with you again!

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