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To be concerned about how vulnerable people are cared for

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User407 · 30/06/2019 17:19

Having seen the awful recent documentary of how people with learning disabilities were being treated in an hospital setting. I’ve come across this feweek.co.uk/2019/06/28/college-run-by-famous-private-hospital-in-the-dock-over-serious-safety-issues/ aibu to be concerned that places that should be safe for such vulnerable people aren’t.

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WalnutCabinet · 30/06/2019 17:44

Yes. My DH has been repeatedly in hospital on multiple wards where most of the patents are over 80 and many have dementia.

It has been shocking. Patronising, talking about them in front of them (when they had a good mental capacity but a poor physical one). Ignoring their basic needs. Failing to provide the most basic care.

kamikazeee · 30/06/2019 17:46

Totally in agreement with this. I'm currently suing The Priory for how I was treated and other patients were treated in an acute mental health unit.

rainbowbash · 30/06/2019 17:49

it's shocking. I have a DD with severe autism so I do have sleepless nights what happens after I am not around anymore...

but the huge outcry didn't come about by these documentaries. I think most people just thank their lucky stars that their DC do not have ASD/LDs and just get on with their lives. The only ones who really care are those who have family members who could potentially end up in such an institution.

but it's goddamn awful but also a reflection of society.

WalnutCabinet · 30/06/2019 17:50

I have pondered that I did not speak up at the way an elderly man was being talked about in a discharge ward.

I am determined that next time I will speak up. It was shocking and upsetting.

MyOpinionIsValid · 30/06/2019 17:58

The dementia wards area terrible place to work, staff are far more likely to be assaulted there than in A&E on a Friday night when the drunks kick out. I've seen patients kick off and repeatedly slap, punch and hair pull nurses; Ive seen the elderly carer, who has the onset of dementia hit and verbally attack their physically frail partners as well. It's a dreadful illness.

qi.elft.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Safer-wards-reducing-violence-on-older-peoples-mental-health-wards.pdf

www.dementia.org/dealing-with-violent-behavior

But your article is about a school

feweek.co.uk/2019/06/28/college-run-by-famous-private-hospital-in-the-dock-over-serious-safety-issues/

Ofsted has recommended the college ensure that it has an effective written policy to promote good behaviour among residential learners; and that a written risk assessment is drawn up to ensure the welfare of learners is safeguarded.

StillMe1 · 30/06/2019 18:00

I watched some really poor conduct from Nurses mostly and Doctors slightly less so when a relative was in hospital. I watched it happen to other patients as well as my relative. I was often ready to pull the staff up but the relative was worried about how they would be treated when I was not present.
This was going on while in corridors all through the hospital there were notices about how people were not to abuse staff! The staff were the most abusive I saw on the premises.
I watched other staff (PTs and OTs) speaking to patients about going home using emotional blackmail. The chat was "how long have you lived in your house?" "A lot of memories in that house then" Then patient sent home only to return shortly after.
Older folk get the blame of occupying family sized homes while living alone but it is the PTs and OTs who are advocating this.
I also watched a recent program about people robbing from family who were old or ill or in some way unable to get out and about to check bank statements.

Dreadful that vulnerable people can not rely on paid persons or family persons

WalnutCabinet · 30/06/2019 18:07

They are not abusive at the hospital my DH is often in.

Just insensitive and treat people like objects with no feelings. I would also say that many but not all staff are neglecting them.

User407 · 30/06/2019 18:24

I personally don’t know anyone with learning difficulties it most be even harder for people who’s children or other family members could possibly be treated in somewhere that’s meant to care for them. Yes the article is about a college but it provides residential accommodation for vulnerable people which is why I feel it’s relevant.

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User407 · 30/06/2019 20:08

Im starting to believe the private companies are worse than nhs/local authority settings.

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Justbreathing · 30/06/2019 20:33

The whole thing needs an overhaul. The whole concept of it.
Why do people who work there get paid so little
Why do people end up with empathy fatigue
How do we stop this:

Perhaps people need to have shorter shifts/ more money.
Empathy fatigue is not something most people think they will end up experiencing but it’s not unusual.

We can all say it’s horrific what people do, (which it is) but what do we actually do about it, because what’s happening now isn’t working.

User407 · 30/06/2019 21:05

Yes I agree but care staff in private companies are often on more per hour. So I really don’t understand why they aren’t trained properly etc.

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Justbreathing · 30/06/2019 21:52

But it’s a mixture of pay and empathy fatigue. I don’t think many people really lack empathy. So it’s something about the job that turns you,
We have to work that out and go from there

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