AIBU to think Kate and Meghan could look just as good at half the price

[MeganRapinoe]

This is neither a Kate nor a Meghan bashing thread.

I'm just wondering if they need to spend quite so much money on clothes or, as they are both gorgeous, could they spend much less and still look fab.

The dress Meghan wore to meet the baseball players is said to have cost £800 and it didn't seem all that to me - couldn't she have got something for, say, £250.

And before anyone asks, yes - I do have more important things to worry about but i just fancy a chat.

I didn't say the OP is a hater.

I was merely pointing out that is doesn't matter what they wear (Primark or Chanel) the haters will hate.

Then why post on a thread complaining about ‘haters’? Thanks for that truism, which added much to the debate.

Shame we can't elect monarchs? Are you serious? We'd end up with Nigel Farage or Boris Johnson. And the elections would cost a fortune. And each new monarch would try to change everything and cost even more money in the long run (e.g. each new President tends to revamp the White House, at vast expense)

Hell no. I much prefer our Queen to any elected PM in living memory. And Charles. And even Camilla. At least she's got a sense of humour, unlike any of our politicians.

None of us would want the terrible scrutiny and bitchiness these poor women have to put up with. Surely as a largely women's forum we should be more supportive.

I’m quite serious, thanks. If we can elect them, we can kick them out, too.

I bet I know why you prefer QE2 to any prime minister. She never has to take any tough decisions or deliver bad news. No, she is driven around to events where she waves and says, “have you come far?” etc. It’s not a bad life, is it? It’s not difficult to appear nice and likeable when everything is made easy for you.

Oh I don’t think her salary from Suits (and other sidelines) is at this point fully paying for her wardrobe. It was more the point that she did come to relationship and her current position with her own money.

I admire how well she is styled/styles herself because an apple shape seems the most difficult to dress well, even when very slim.

We just need to ditch the ever growing royal family altogether.

It wouldn't surprise me if, even without a discount, it costs less for the Duchess of Cambridge to have a McQueen or walker dress made, simply because they have all he measurements already. They can do a toile without her even visiting to be measured up, make a few adjustments and then it is all done.

I don’t know how a garment can’t cost 10k. It’s not like it requires prolonged human effort and fitting and altering and expensive fabric and diamond buttons..

To me whatever cannot be justified is just wasteful. I hate wastefulness in the name of fame and standing out.. it’s too egoistic..

But that applies to many elements not just to Meghan and Kate so not fair to hold them as prime examples of that..

But yh in general if I can look just as good buying something reasonably priced, I would.. and then I would put the rest of the money to something with a less wasteful purpose.

But I’m just a person that doesn’t like luxury or enjoy it in general, as I’ve mixed with enough people who I know a small amount of money makes a huge difference to their basic living and they live on the same planet as me and I just dislike pretending that their human rights isn’t my problem.

But Kate And Meghan are the last people I would blame for this social issue that I feel opinionated about... I expect as females they have a lot of pressure from monarchy and society to fit into what already is social pressures and so they don’t deserve half as much scrutany as the more established members of the royal family and the elite of society.. I think two wrongs don’t make a right

Look up couture prices. You will fall off your seat.

I don’t get the ‘two wrongs don’t make a right’ argument in relation to the royals: surely you are not saying that we’re wrong to question them because they are under ‘societal pressures’ (aren’t we all) and scrutiny (which is part of their job)?

However, re the alleged ‘pressure from monarchy’ to spend thousands on an outfit: I am imagining the royal women of Europe beadily eyeing up each other’s clothes and thinking, “yeah, I’ll see your Elie Saab, grand duchess Teresa of Luxembourg, and I’ll raise you a Chanel. IN YOUR FACE!”

Do I feel sorry for Kate and Meghan? No. I save my sympathy for women with much harder lives.

I don’t get the ‘two wrongs don’t make a right’ argument in relation to the royals

It’s not in relation to the royals. It’s in relation to the disproportionate efforts to tear down the “women” of the royals who had essentially not contributed anything to establishing its traditions and in fact probably are the most members of the royal family finding it hard to fit into it, as opposed to deal with the real issue of monarchy.

I think using misogynistic style of scrutinising women while enabling men is not the right way to protest against the monarchy.

I’m not a royalist at all. In fact, I dislike the whole concept. Just don’t think any woman in the world deserves the negative attention those two are getting.

Interesting that you think you know why I prefer our monarch to elected politicians because I already explained in my original post.

Since you struggle with reading comprehension, I'll explain again: the main reason is because of who people (most likely you) would vote for. No use to me that I could vote Nigel Farage out when loads of people would vote for him. He doesn't have to make tough decisions either or break bad news. He just simpers around and manipulates people's fears and prejudices to gain status. I still find his bigotry and smarminess unbearable.

People find Boris Johnson a laugh and entertaining. They don't vote for him for his ability to make serious decisions or break bad news. The large minority of people who vote for him don't read the stuff about how morally bankrupt he is. They just hear the sound bites and remember him from TV quiz shows. Having read about the real person, I can't stand him either. Even if he wasn't involved in running the country.

I don't want to pay taxes to support these people. Because they wouldn't want to work as hard as the Queen does I'm sure. Just because you get a chauffeur there., doesn't mean it's easy to show interest in the twenty third community group you've been to that week, and make everyone there feel special. She does with grace and seeming effortlessness. But it really isn't that easy.

MarielvanArkelStinks you make excellent points. I'm a republican too but not as articulate as you.

Where to start with a response to Overmaars? It’s like shooting fish in a barrel.

Your argument can’t be as nuanced as you think, because it’s easily summed up in five words. Shall I spell it out?

‘Politicians terrible, royal family marvellous’

Although it’s not clear why you’ve hijacked a thread about the cost of Kate and Meghan’s frocks for a rant about Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage.

I don’t sink to the level of accusing people who don’t agree with me of ‘lacking reading comprehension’ - I leave that sort of thing to people who lack confidence in their own intelligence hence make themselves feel better by lashing out - so I’ll assume that you know the difference between the role of a monarch and the role of a politician.

Incidentally, you can rest assured that I will never cast a vote for either of the politicians you mentioned.

@Overmaars totally agree with you. @Iamthewombat you may not but plenty of people do, hence why the country is shambolic and in total disarray.

Having read your previous posts on this thread, I’m delighted that you are arguing the opposite side to me, Jon65

Totally agree with the OP. It’s nit as though they wear designer for quality either - they wear these things once, they don’t have to last.

They could very easily wear £200-300 dresses and look just as good.

And (at the risk of being called a racist) Meghan doesn’t support the British high street or designer fashion industry. She’s worn Stella McCartney a couple of times but her wardrobe is largely American and French.

@Iamthewombat ditto

Oh dear Iamwombat. Now I’m really not sure if you’re setting up a straw man argument or really struggle to follow.

I didn’t claim to present a nuanced argument, in fact it’s v simple. Just not royal family marvellous, politicians terrible.

My point was clearly that we often get a better result with accident of birth than by elections. I could equally say Jeremy Corbyn as Farage and Johnson. They are just particularly egregious examples.

The democratic process, however flawed, is hugely better than the alternative, for the establishment of people running the country. This does not apply to our Royal Family, who have no executive, legislative or judiciary responsibility. There is no risk of abuse of power. Therefore I would rather have what we have now than leave the choice to those who would support Johnson, Farage or Corbyn.

Anyway I’ll just leave you to argue against whatever you decide to construe my argument as this time.

Have a nice day