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TreaclePumpkin · 28/06/2019 20:52

So, we had a new lawn laid in May. Due to issues with our brand new lawnmower (that's a whole other story), we decided to pay for someone to give it a first cut, whilst trying to resolve our lawnmower issues.

A few days ago, the gardener sent by the company we chose turned up. He'd brought his lawnmower with him. I didn't see it initially as it was in a sort of bag, but I saw not too long after he started that it was a VERY old fashioned mower. Didn't have anything on the back of it to collect the grass and but for the fact he plugged it in to our sockets, I could have sworn it was some sort of manual machine - super super basic looking. It seems his plan was to cut (the fairly long) grass with this rickety old mower and then use a rake to collect the cuttings. We were being charged an hourly rate for this, by the way. So this method naturally would make the process a whole lot longer (gardener was quite old too, so not the quickest). I wasn't aware mowers of the kind he brought still existed. So expected an efficient job done by a professional.

Very quickly I could see he was really struggling to cut the grass, even though he said he was fine. Just said the grass is more dense/lush than expected (even though we had explained it was a brand new lawn).

He ultimately completed 2 passes of the grass and it was looking terrible. Supper messy, like the grass was being hacked at. He then started a third pass right in the middle of the garden. Did a couple of rows and then blew a fuse. I gave him a new one, but it didn't work. Realised later that he'd tripped our fuse box. Anyhoo, he said he would come back in a few days to finish the job, but it's going to cost more than the £60 currently agreed (which was already up £20 on the initial quote, as it was taking him longer than he expected).

He then left, didn't do any more raking or anything at that point.

It was left looking so bad - the middle strip in particular, that we decided to call in someone else to do the job. This new guy ultimately completed the job and said that (a) for a first cut of the new lawn, the guy had gone way too short on the middle section and that it risked killing the grass cutting it that low that early (that part is very brown right now). Also said he shouldn't have left all the cut dead grass on top of the lawn, because that could also damage it.

That being said, he thinks the super low section will grow back ok eventually and he has removed almost all the dead grass cuttings, so thankfully no long term damage (we hope). He will be back to do a second cut in a week. We have not yet paid the first guy, but have of course paid this second guy to finish the job properly.

My question is, WIBU not to pay the first guy, as he did such a bad job? Or perhaps reduce what we pay him?

We are not loaded and the lawn was a big purchase for us (especially whilst I'm on mat leave) and he almost ruined it. And had his mower not blown a fuse, he probably would have ruined it. And acted in bad faith leaving all that dead grass there.

Or should we just pay him the full amount and chalk it up to a bad experience?

If you made it to the end - thank you! Just didn't want to drip feed.

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chuttypicks · 28/06/2019 20:56

I would contact the first gardening company and abuse them why you will not be paying.

Throughthenever · 28/06/2019 21:20

I think you need to contact the company you found this guy through and explain what he did (or didn't) do to your lawn and the poor job he made.

They may be willing to say that the fee is waved. If they dont agree in your mind the most you will be willing to pay...for example £40. Say you are only willing to pay £25 and negotiate from there.

I would not be happy to pay the full rate however the person did attempt to do the job and should be paid for some of the time if they dont want to give it to you for free.

If it helps your new gardner was not wrong and this goes for the first cut after winter. Should always do a long cut then work it down to prevent ripping the grass and killing it.

Also may also be worth asking your new gardner about airating the lawn. It may not need it yet but is worth checking or when you may need to do it. A nice lawn takes a lot of care and attention

KarmaStar · 28/06/2019 21:47

Hi OP

I'd send photos to the company outlining your issues and explaining that you are very unhappy with the service provided and that your grass may be permanently damaged and if it is,you expect them to make it good.

LauderSyme · 28/06/2019 21:57

Don't abuse them! But yes, do explain and negotiate a lower price.

Halo1234 · 28/06/2019 22:10

I can see both sides. The first gardener didnt deliberately rip you off. But u didnt get the service u paid for. So why should u have to pay. But he did spend time trying his best to do the job. That doesn't change the fact he didnt do the job in fact he made it worse. I think u are not obligated to pay anything (he is lucky u aren't seeking compensation). However in the interest of keeping myself guilt free I would prob offer to pay the original quote (£20). If he was a nice person trying their best to earn a living that is. Your money is precious u shouldn't have to pay twice but I would feel too bad not to give him anything.

TheFlis12345 · 28/06/2019 22:15

How big is your lawn?!? £60 for a mow is ridiculously expensive.

TreaclePumpkin · 28/06/2019 22:34

Thank you all, I'm leaning towards not paying at all now. I am going to write an email to complain (I'll be polite) and send pictures, as has been suggested.

The gardener was a nice enough man, but I decide where to pay and how much (not full amount in any case) depending on how the company chooses to respond.

@TheFlis12345 Our lawn is not that big at all. I'd say on the smaller side of medium, at best. And it's just a straight rectangle. No plants or trees or anything to get round that could make it difficult to mow. The gardener was charging £20 an hour. Though he spent much of his last hour here trying to fix his mower, not actually doing any work.

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TreaclePumpkin · 28/06/2019 22:36

@Throughthenever Thanks! I know nothing at all about gardens. This lawn was for my two little boys more than anything else. Will definitely ask the new guy about aerating the lawn.

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FairyBatman · 28/06/2019 22:38

£60 to cut a new lawn is ridiculous!

Yabbers · 28/06/2019 23:05

I would only agree to pay whatever the first quote was, minus what you paid the second guy to fix it.

Your second gardener is wrong though. Leaving grass clippings on the lawn won’t damage it. In fact, it is good for the lawn (unless the grass is soaking wet, in which case cutting it in itself would cause damage) The nutrients within the clippings will feed the lawn. The only reason it isn’t generally done is because people don’t like how it looks. He may have caused some issues if he cut it too short, but it does sound like the biggest risk to the lawn was letting it grow too long before it was cut.

It does sound like the first guy wasn’t up to the job. But, he didn’t risk killing the lawn.

Nautiloid · 28/06/2019 23:06

£60 is insane. He's charging you for THREE HOURS to cut a medium lawn AND he did a piss poor job of it, damaging the new lawn and blowing your fuse.
I am pathologically bad at sticking up for myself, and I wouldn't be paying and considering pressing for some kind of damages, though I probably wouldn't as it would feel like a losing battle.

TheFlis12345 · 28/06/2019 23:07

Teens round our way would charge a tenner to mow a lawn that size. A pro adult maybe £20 but £60 is daylight robbery, and you definitely shouldn’t be paying for time he spends fixing his equipment rather than doing the job you are paying for.

Pinkfinkle · 28/06/2019 23:09

Not sure why but the image of the old man turning up with a manual pre-industrial revolution style lawn mower really did make me chuckle Grin.

Call the company up and explain the situation, see what they suggest. They may suggest not paying at all but most likely will suggest a reduced amount.

1CantPickAName · 28/06/2019 23:10

Pay him the original £40 you had agreed and notch this one up to experience. It would be unreasonable to not pay anything as he did some work, albeit not to the standard you (or anyone) would expect!

Drum2018 · 28/06/2019 23:12

You won't be paying him anything for the time he was trying to fix his old mower for a start. Definitely contact the company and tell them what happened and that you had to get another person in to sort the lawn asap. See what they say before deciding on payment, if any.

TreaclePumpkin · 28/06/2019 23:16

I sent the email and she responded immediately as follows:

"I’ll pop over in the morning to collect the rubbish and see the lawn , sorry you are disappointed on the service you got but the grass was cut upon your instructions...are you around about 1030 am"

Btw, she is referring to the cuttings that were actually bagged before the first gardener left, but new gardener has already taken these away.

I feel like she is trying to say it's my fault - that I said the grass should be cut like this? It's making me really angry now.

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motherofcats81 · 28/06/2019 23:22

I wouldn't pay anything for him messing up the lawn! If you had a handyman or builder in to do a job inside and instead of doing it they actually caused damage surely you wouldn't pay?

And I pay 30 quid for a relatively large lawn plus other tidying, weeding etc in London, so that seems very expensive in the first place.

1CantPickAName · 28/06/2019 23:23

Am I right that the original agreement was £40 for the whole lawn, completely cut but he got half way through and then you had to get a second contractor to finish the job?

In that case I would pay £20. Do you have any pictures of how it looked before that started and pics of the process, including how he left it?

What benefit is there of her coming to look at it if a second contractor has finished the job?

TreaclePumpkin · 28/06/2019 23:24

@Yabbers Thank you. The grass definitely wasn't soaking wet, so I'm glad to know that this perhaps isn't such an issue. And I guess if we had let him come back, he could have cleared the cuttings at that point. And we would have cut it earlier, but it just kept raining around here, so it wasn't possible the past couple of weeks. And we were told it should be cut 4 weeks after laying it. We were 10 days past that.

The new guy charged £25 to cut the lawn. So if we take the original £40 (not paying for time spent during the final hour to fix the mower), then maybe I pay £15 tops.

By the way, in my email to the company, I haven't mentioned payment at all so far. Just said I wasn't happy with the work.

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motherofcats81 · 28/06/2019 23:24

Yes that response is taking the piss! I would be even less inclined to pay now personally

TreaclePumpkin · 28/06/2019 23:27

@1CantPickAName thank you. Yes, I have pictures of how it was originally and how it was after it was cut. Well my husband has pictures anyway.

I think she really just wants to come to collect the payment in person, as I've said there is now no need for them to come back. She hasn't mentioned the money yet (neither have I). I would have paid the guy in cash if he had come back. Though could equally make a transfer to them.

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TreaclePumpkin · 28/06/2019 23:32

@motherofcats81 yeah - I did say my inclination to pay would likely be guided by their response and that certainly hasn't helped.

I think they were taking the piss with the price - is clear from all the comments here. We clearly didn't know better.

That said, at £40 I would have still happily paid (and would have paid the £60 begrudgingly), of the job had been done well.

New guy said he would normally charge £20 to cut this lawn. I think the extra £5 this time was because of all the extra mess or something. Not sure, as my husband mainly dealt with him.

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1CantPickAName · 28/06/2019 23:35

Would you be inclined to pay for the work he has done, and that you can prove he did? Maybe send her an email saying ‘ no need to come tomorrow, attached are the pics of the work that was done. I am unhappy with it but I am transferring to you x amount to cover said work. Please don’t contact me again. Regards TreaclePumpkin’?

TreaclePumpkin · 28/06/2019 23:45

I replied to the latest message to say I found it offensive that she would suggest the poor service was somehow our fault. And I quoted a bit of the consumer rights act in my response for good measure (ie aservice not carried out with reasonable care and skill etc).

She has now responded to apologise, say it was a misunderstanding (her comment was, I assume) and that they will not be charging us.

She still wants to come over in the morning to "access the cut before we talk to the gardener and explain you do not want him back" Hmm (I think she means assess - but I can't be bothered with all that. Just a waste of my time.

But a lesson has certainly been learned. And I have learned a whole lot from you guys about lawn care tonight, so thank you! Smile

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1CantPickAName · 28/06/2019 23:48

Sounds like a great outcome. Live and learn @TreaclePumpkin, enjoy your lawn 🙂

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