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Family situation

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poopofprettycolours · 27/06/2019 12:33

Long time lurker here. Am going to be honest. Am feeling so low and have a pity party going on and hoping for an honest perspective on a family situation.

My son, partner and grandson live in a different country to me – not far away – a ferry would get you here. They’re in their 30s and been together about 9 years.

My partner took my son on some 20 years ago and treated him as though he was his. Bio father never bothered to set up any contact, had nothing to do with them and didn’t pay a penny towards their keep. No involvement from ExH's family either – from grandparents to siblings. They knew where we lived yet there were no birthday cards, Christmas cards, visits, nothing.

Son and partner now live near her family and see them frequently, as you would expect. The grandparents are lovely people and am glad GS has lots of love and fun in his life.

Now for the dark clouds. Son and partner always broke. We’ve helped out hugely – last year amounted to about £5000. The last grand was to help them move. Not been invited over, not sent any pictures of the house. Like our involvement was purely for money.

We also send nice sums of money for each of their birthdays and Christmas. We sent £150 for the GS’s 3rd birthday recently but never got told what it went on. Had to nag son for pictures of him on his birthday. Asked if they had a party – apparently, they had a small one at grandparents and only invited people ‘round that way’. No pictures or happy updates.

I asked the partner about Instagram and she recently gave me access to an account she’d set up focusing on the GS so I get to see pics that way but the thing is, I just don’t feel we’re special.

We sent money for partner’s birthday and both of us followed up with a message to wish her a happy birthday and ask what she was planning, anything nice, etc. Got a Thanks, probably going somewhere xxx. But my partner’s birthday? Cards but no message. We don’t expect presents but it would be nice if she just sent a personal message. Son sends a message as well and gives us a call.

And recently, more money problems. Always money problems. Always short. The rub is, if they get money from partner’s family, it’s a loan and has to be paid back.

So I tried being a bit tougher and said I was short (which I was – dog and vet bills) and would have to be repaid. He said his partner had savings in an account but had mislaid passbook and was waiting for new one in post and would pay us back as soon as it arrived (approx. 10 days).

Fortnight later, son didn’t know if passbook had come but was now saying he couldn’t afford to pay us back that month… and was still short… so I sent a couple of hundred to help out. Stupid cow me?

I go from being worried about their situation to feeling hurt that we’re not included in their everyday lives. They come over maybe once a year – we pay their travel costs and take them out and about most days they’re here and send them back with presents. They don’t have much money but usually bring us some presents and will buy a bottle of wine to go with our evening meals now and again. I feel like they try to bring us something nice and appreciate that they do this for us.

He always thanks us for money and says what a huge help it is and thank you so much, etc. But then we’ll hardly hear from him for a while. To be fair, he will occasionally send a quick message about something or ask how we are but it’s not frequent.

I’m venting, I suppose, and crying. Am probably a soft twat for worrying about them and wanting to help. I don’t want to buy love, just want to help them get on their feet but it hurts so much to feel outside of their bubble until money worries come up again.

I don’t know how to handle the situation. My heart aches for some love and to have more involvement. My head tells me they’re self-absorbed and selfish. The cynic in me says she doesn’t like us (I am pretty sure she doesn’t) and is quite happy that we’re out of things and we’re mugs to help out so much.

What should I do? He’s my only son and don’t want to alienate him, partner and GS. Are they CFs? Are we mugs? What would you do? Am I being stupidly sensitive and feeling slighted?

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Kyogre · 27/06/2019 19:54

I’m not surprised you feel awful. It’s a horrible position to be in. I wouldn’t assume your daughter in law dislikes you. It’s more likely she is just not interested in you. Your son is being unkind to you although it may be that he is just too selfish and thick to realize how much it upsets you.
Do you think your daughter in law knows how much money your son borrows from you? Might he not be telling her?

I think I’d cut down drastically on the gifts and would stop giving them money. If possible could you ask them if you could visit. Tell them you would stay in a hotel and that you would only come for a couple of days. Ask them if they would be ok for that.

Caselgarcia · 27/06/2019 19:54

I wonder whether your son is embarrassed about how they live and their lack of money? Maybe this is why they don't encourage you to visit? Do they have steady jobs?
I know of a couple who moved abroad telling everyone how great their life was and how they wouldn't dream of coming home. They said they were doing villa management. Truth was they were living in a mobile home while they rented out the villa they had bought but couldn't afford to live in.

Bookworm4 · 27/06/2019 19:58

Do they both work? Are they living beyond their means? Why do they constantly need to borrow large sums?

BlankTimes · 27/06/2019 21:29

Are there any financial help agencies where they are, something like CAB? Could you arrange for them to have an appointment?

It would benefit them a LOT more for their life as adults if they could learn how to manage their finances and live accordingly, rather than just asking both sets of parents for gifts and loans.

There's a lot of free advice online e.g. this calculator is suitable for use with the CAB and some websites. www.stoozing.com/calculator/soa.php

JustMarriedBecca · 27/06/2019 21:34

I'm sorry you are in this situation. I feel like I might be in a similar situation to your DIL. We see a lot of my parents, my in-laws less so. My husband rarely rings them, or messages and they never see holiday photos. I did try to engage with them but have to follow his lead - you are his parents, not hers

I feel quite sad about our situation. I was raised that more people, more chaos, make a situation better. My husband is less is more when it comes to family. I ordered my daughter's school photo and a copy for his parents and he said 'they won't want that'.

I'd maybe have a word with her and see if you can get her onside directly. If she's close to her parents, I'd bet she feels bad you aren't as involved as hers?

shiningstar2 · 27/06/2019 22:25

You are being taken for a ride and you are also enabling their financial dependance. Sorry ...but I think you know that.

It is hard op when you have available funds and see your adult child struggling. I know that and DH and I have had to make decisions about how much financial help we can sensibly give our adult dc. Do they have a lot of debt? Are they paying it off or adding to it? In your shoes I would definitely withdraw the financial gifts. If you can't totally do this I would go with loans. However a repayment plan on direct debit would have to be set up before another pound was supplied. No further funds until this loan is paid off. If the direct debits stop you have fair warning of what the future holds if you continue providing money and hopefully you would take warning and supply no more. They key is in the word adult. You are doing them and yourself no favours if your financial help is not leading them towards financial independence.

I would be honest about wanting to see them more and try if you can to make a friend of the partner. Its hard I know when they live away from you but she will have a lot of say over visits ext.

I would try to think of yourselves a bit more. Spend some of that money on great holidays ext for yourselves. When you spend on them do it in ways that also make you happy. Eg book a nice hotel near them at a time of year when the weather is good. Pay to do some fun things with them which are approriate for the whole family. Take out for a lovely lunch in a scenic place.

If all of this doesn't bring you closer you will have done your best and will have to resign yourself to less contact than you like. If that happens just make sure you send lovely things for the child...maybe things he needs which help the parents as well as lovely toys the child will want. Plenty grandparent's go that far financially and they won't be able to reproach you later with 'not caring' about the grandchild. But don't take financial help any further than that. Good luck op. Hope it gets better for you.

iseveryusernametakenorwhat · 27/06/2019 22:32

If I did this to my mum she'd be saying 'I never see you, you make no effort'. She'd be explicit. I'd tell it to him like it is, no need to lie and say money is locked up. Say I feel used and like you're only interested in getting money out of me.

nutbrownhare15 · 27/06/2019 22:46

Have a think about love languages for the different people in this scenario. Is it money, gifts, time, personal greetings, visits, etc? There may be a mismatch. I think you need to take some steps towards what you want which I guess is more time with your son and grandson. So ask them for a date they are free and don't. I have young children and am always happy to see family and would be up for hosting,but I'm so busy I'm not really in a position to organise it myself. I have other priorities like stopping my 3 yr old trashing the house. We go to see family less now we have kids. Not because we want to see them less but because travelling with kids is a massive faff. You clearly feel hurt about certain things but it's unlikely they were intentionally done to hurt you. I agree re the loans, from now on close the bank. Stop sending money for birthdays as it gives the impression you have loads. Focus on facilitating experiences and time together eg go over for a birthday and pay for a meal.

nutbrownhare15 · 27/06/2019 22:47

'don't' should read 'go over'.

Butterymuffin · 27/06/2019 22:54

You're not doing them any good with all the gifts of money because they never need to learn to be more responsible. Stop and say your money is tied up for the moment but you could manage a visit and you'd love to see them, so what about if you book a hotel for these dates?

honeygirlz · 27/06/2019 23:05

150 on a birthday is ridiculous. My mum still bungs each grandchild a tenner and they are happy with that.

They're greedy CFs. Rein it in on presents. Don't pay for them to visit you. Don't send gifts if they only send you cards.

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