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To give up on vegetarianism?

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3GreenFrogs · 24/06/2019 13:40

A few months ago I went veggie. Didn’t find it difficult to be honest and ate stuff like veggie bolognese, veggie curry, bean burgers etc etc

I thought it might even help me lose weight ... but I’ve put weight on!! In fact I look so fat now you’d think I’d been on a fast food diet. I’m constantly bloated and feel so uncomfortable. None of my clothes fit me. I’m also long term anaemic and feel this won’t be doing that any good and I suffer with IBS which has always been made worse by increasing my fibre intake.

When I get back from festival next week I’m joint TeamRH to lose weight and I know he’s big on protein etc ... AIBU to give up on the whole vegetarian thing?

OP posts:
notacooldad · 24/06/2019 18:05

I went veggie and got fat and anaemic too
You did veggie wrong!!!

3GreenFrogs · 24/06/2019 18:23

Ok I’ll post a few typical days but don’t shout at me, I know it’s shite!

Breakfast - a bowl of wheetos and a cup of coffee
Lunch - pot noodle
Dinner - vegetarian curry and rice

Breakfast - peanut butter on toast
Lunch - spicy bean pasty
Dinner - vegetable pizza, chips and beans

The joe wicks veggie book sounds good?

OP posts:
notacooldad · 24/06/2019 18:35

3GreenFrogs
I am not a nutritionist or dietician.i can only give an opinion if that is ok. You appear to be eating a lot of highly processed foods

Breakfast - a bowl of wheetos ( highly processed, try a full fat Greek yogurt and berries to gill you up. Wheetos are nice but shoddy be an occasional treat.and a cup of coffee
Lunch - pot noodle WHAT?
Dinner - vegetarian curry and rice
Iff home made this could beca great choice, lots of vegetables. You don't need much rice.

Breakfast - peanut butter on toast use a good quality peanut butter. It makes a huge difference.. personally I wouldn't have the toast but if I was I would be going for a good quality seeded bread.
Lunch - spicy bean pasty Not much nutrion here and again just empty carbs with the pasty. You'll be hungry after half an hour!
Dinner - vegetable pizza, chips and beans more highly processed carbs with little nutritional value. ( unless you made the pizza yourself, thin crust with lots of veg on?)
Your diet, imo, appears to be high in calories and fat. I'm not surprised your gaining weight.
It sounds like a teenager diet.

The joe wicks veggie book sounds good? It is but I'll recommend you some other ones that have easy recipes. I'll post that later.

3GreenFrogs · 24/06/2019 18:43

Ok I’m liking the sound of Greek yogurt and blueberries but what portion of each should I be aiming for? Asda do a 500g pot and say 1/4 pot is a serving - is this right? It’s only 125 calories

OP posts:
3GreenFrogs · 24/06/2019 18:44

Sorry, 158 calories for the yogurt

OP posts:
jennymanara · 24/06/2019 18:46

notacooldad The problem is vegetables don't really fill you up.

notacooldad · 24/06/2019 18:56

notacooldad The problem is vegetables don't really fill you up
I agree, that's why you need protein and I would say some carbs.( some people disagree but to me its about having a good balance and being realistic with what you can manage)
I also think that people, in general. have got used to over eating and snacking so when they cut back they are not used to feeling. ( I know I have clumsily worded that but I hope you see what i mean) I got round this by making sure I drank more water. I'm not saying it's easy and I do fall over the hurdles at times but I've had to overhaul my diet. The principles would be the same if the OP wanted to carry on eating meat. That is reduce the highly refined processed stuff and try and eat food to as close as it should look like.
Just to repeat, this is just an opinion and its helping me.

Dishwashersaurous · 24/06/2019 18:57

Chips and pizza in the same meal

Sorry to be harsh but you must know that is crap

notacooldad · 24/06/2019 19:03

OP. The cook books that I've currently got on rotation are
Vegan on the go. I get a lit if my lunch ideas out if this one
Cranks fast food. I like this at the momentv The only downside us the author uses tamarind in virtually every receipes!!!
'The Green tin of roasting' as it says it's a one tray bake
' vegan £1 meals' easy to do quick. I use it when I'm in late and want something quick.
'The middle eastern vegetarian cookbook ' is my current favourite especially when I have friends round. I love this book!!
One of these may get you started, nothing too experimental but easy to follow and tasty.

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EmeraldEagle · 24/06/2019 19:20

The problem isn't being veggie but the lack of proper food.
If you are interested in loosing weight and turning veggie have a look at the veggie version of the 90 day Joe Wicks plan. I've been veggie since I was 16 but the Joe Wicks plan helped me learn how to cook proper meals without relying on meat replacement stuff.
If you do decide just to by his veggie book bear in mind that the recipes are based on the average males calorie needs so the need scaling down a bit

jennymanara · 24/06/2019 19:24

I love vegetables, and hate meat replacements, but protein in a veggie diet mainly means beans. DP can not eat lots of beans because of IBS. So no wonder we both gave up on being veggie.

P1nkHeartLovesCake · 24/06/2019 19:29

Your eating the wrong foods and eating too many calories that’s why you’ve put weight on.

Being vegetarian doesn’t equal magic, eat too much and your put weight on. Being vegetarian is like eating meat you can be lazy and eat processed or you can look up recipes and make fresh good food, it’s up to you.

Meat doesn’t make people fat, in fact much meat like chicken/turkey etc is very lean and helps fill one up for longer.

Eat better food (I.e not pot noodles and pasties)
Watch calories

MyCatHatesEverybody · 24/06/2019 19:38

You have barely any protein in your food diary examples, I'm not surprised you're bloated and anaemic.

noodlenosefraggle · 24/06/2019 19:43

I'd say it's the flour rather than the lack of meat that's causing the bloating! You're eating a lot of bread. You just need to improve your veggie diet if you want to continue it. What would you be eating instead if you were a meat eater? If its small amounts of whole chicken pieces, steak etc then you'll probably lose weight. If it's sausages, bacon and KFC you won't! I'm a new veggie and I sometimes feel like giving it up but I'm going to try cutting down the bread first and eating seeds and nuts instead.

Thistly · 24/06/2019 19:44

You need to get to grips with pulses if you want to be a healthy vegetarian. I recommend using a pressure cooker to cook them from dried, rather than tinned.
Meat is delicious (to those who are attuned to the flavour) it is easy to make delicious food with meat. You do actually have to work quite a bit harder with vegetarian food, to start with, more veg prep. And you will have to put more thought into menu planning and cooking when you make any change in your diet.

MoodLighting · 24/06/2019 19:47

Watch out for too much insoluble fibre and too many vegetables from the brassica family as both of these can trigger IBS.

jennymanara · 24/06/2019 19:52

Just eat meat again OP, it is far easier.

DoodleLab · 24/06/2019 20:08

Death tally per annum

Carnivore (pasture based) 🐮🐮

Vegetarian/ high plant content 🐭🐰🦊🐸🦉🦇🐝🐛🦋🐌🐞🐜🦟🦗🕷🐍🦎🦝🦡🐁🐀🐿🦔 x 10,000

The paradox is the less meat you put on your plate, the more indirect deaths are caused to mammals, birds, amphibians, insects and all the other components of a healthy ecosystem. Monocropping agriculture for crops like wheat, corn and soya is the most ecocidal activity we do. It requires vast inputs of fossil fuel fertilisers, so the CO2 emissions are astronomical. They run off into waterways, causing sudden algal blooms, then dead zones of millions of fish as the oxygen is depleted. Pesticides, insecticides, rodenticides etc are needed as well, the intentional poisoning of trillions of creatures inconvenient to agriculture.

Or you could semi wild the land, having mixed meadow and woodland landscapes, put ruminants on there which co exist and co support thriving wildlife and biodiverse ecosystems. They’re actually net carbon negative as the soils sequester more carbon than the cows emit (as long as they only eat grass and silage). Isabella Tree’s Knepp estate is a great example of this depicted in her book Wilding.

Obviously industrial farming is an abomination, but a wheat field is far more cataclysmic to animals than a battery chicken shed in terms of gross number of deaths caused. Grass fed ruminants are the most ethical, ecological and efficient diet you can eat, alongside local orchards and veg gardening.

The ethical dividing line isn’t plant vs animal. It’s regenerative farming that builds healthy carbon & nutrient rich deep soils in a self sustaining way vs industrial agriculture that depletes soil, emits tons of carbon in its tillage and requires vast chemical and fossil inputs.

notacooldad · 24/06/2019 20:14

jennymanara

Just eat meat again OP, it is far easier
But if she had meat in the example of the diet it wouldnt help OP to lose weight
Wheetos are still highly processed and look like nothing edible found in nature is she had a steak bake instead of a veggie pastie theres not going to be much difference in saturated fat, calories or nutrition.

It's the understanding of food that needs to be revaluated not necessarily veggie versus meat diet.
Either diets can be excellent or totally rubbish .

Siameasy · 24/06/2019 21:37

Agree with you Doodle. No one cares about the insects or rodents lost so that people can have their Special K. Or the destruction of plants so we can plant more cereal grains when no one needs to eat cereal grains and without them we would actually be healthier because they are nutritionally bereft and have to be fortified..

Animals do not need to be fed cereals either but we insist on doing so to fatten them up. Then we wonder why we get fat on cereals🤔

Of course the way we “do” livestock is horrific. That is the problem not meat itself.

I actually started to think about eating insects...we have so many snails you have to wonder

BrightYellowDaffodil · 24/06/2019 21:49

I don't eat much meat so by definition a lot of the meals I eat are vegetarian or vegan. However, I also can't eat bread, potatoes, pasta, rice and many pulses as they make me bloat to the point of pain, as well as making me tired all the time and I put on weight. Which is a bugger because I bloody LOVE bread and potatoes.

I find that a lot of vegetarian/vegan recipes are carb-heavy but thankfully there's been some really good cookbooks out in the last few years that aren't so carb-based and yet still food you'd actually want to eat. I'm especially thinking of River Cottage Much More Veg and Nigel Slater's GreenFeast.

BrightYellowDaffodil · 24/06/2019 21:50

@OP:

Breakfast - a bowl of wheetos and a cup of coffee
Lunch - pot noodle
Dinner - vegetarian curry and rice

Breakfast - peanut butter on toast
Lunch - spicy bean pasty
Dinner - vegetable pizza, chips and beans

That's a lot of carbs to be eating if they don't suit you.

Chesntoots · 24/06/2019 23:05

I have really bad IBS and your diet is probably making yours worse.

Weetos - no way could I eat those
Pot noodle - that's not even food!! (But I used to love the chicken one!) That will be so bad
Beans of any description - bloat me up and cause all sorts of problems
Pizza - bread basically so will not do your IBS any good at all.

I know that's preachy, but you have so many carbs which will not only put the weight on, but will cause IBS issues.

You need to eat cleaner. It's not easy. My job means I'm out of the house from 6.30 in the morning and mostly not back until 9.30 at night, but it is doable with a bit of experimenting. I must also add that I hate cooking. My kitchen is for feeding the cars and doing my washing...

Don't give up on it just yet.

Wallywobbles · 24/06/2019 23:15

I have IBS too. I found that in terms of diet the Michael Mosley Mediterranean diet works well. And that's mostly veg, nuts and what have you. There's a fair wack of fish advised but mostly it's healthy oils like avocado and nuts. Didn't make me bloat. I do things like goats cheese with an apple instead of bread. It's v low carb which definitely helps with the IBS. Watch out for beans/lentils/chickpeas. They are the devil for me.

Otherwise 5:2 works well. Add in low carbing too. Vegetarian would make no difference.

Ive done a VLCD (slim and save) and bizarrely my IBS was never better. And their meals are all vegetarian.

hibbledibble · 24/06/2019 23:18

The problem here isn't being veggie, it's just eating highly processed, high gi foods.

You can easily improve your diet without spending lots of time cooking. Curries in the instant pot are super quick and easy. Or even easier are salads. I even had milkshakes for lunch for a while postnatally (made with soya milk and fruit and veg: filling and nutritious)

Meat is terrible for the environment, animal welfare, and your health. Don't give up just yet.