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AIBU to ask for help with job application etiquette

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WatermelonCarrier · 23/06/2019 12:57

We live in a fairly small town and I'm applying for a job at a local company, it's lower management level. I've been looking for a while and this is the first job I've seen advertised for ages that I think is right for me. It asks for a CV and covering letter which I'm working on.

It's a small company and I know one of the directors from a voluntary role we both used to do which she's since stopped, we only over-lapped for a while so I don't know her well. My instinct was to just apply and not to contact her directly at all but DH thinks it would be weird to not drop her a line first. WWYD?

Also, I haven't applied for a job for over 20 years and I'm unsure on the unwritten rules (my 20s and 30s were in same public service organisation, I left in late my 30's and have been self-employed for 5 years). If I'm invited for an interview should I ask to visit the company to look round or anything like that or just do desk research to prepare? At work we were always expected to go and visit the department you were applying to before the interview (something I only found our at my first interview as no-one told me) hence the unwritten rules question. I don't want to screw it up. Any tips welcome!

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DaisyCarrington · 23/06/2019 12:59

I think it would look odd if you didn't contact her ahead of time. These days you are supposed to show that you are very eager to get the job using all avenues open to you, which includes getting insider information if you can!

Rosemary46 · 23/06/2019 13:00

Defo don’t contact the director.

And don’t ask for a look around . Read every single word on the company website. Especially anything that’s remotely relevant to the role.

Good luck

Pinkmouse6 · 23/06/2019 13:12

Don’t contact her, I really don’t recommend this. It will look like you’re using your very vague link to her to get the job, it won’t go down well.

DinkyTie · 23/06/2019 13:27

You have to network but you have to do it respectfully.

Does she know the role? Is it reporting up to her, does she have an interest in who is applying? If so you could contact her and say you've seen the role and are interested, could you grab a coffee to discuss.

But this also depends on the level of role, what's lower management in this company?

I'm contracting at the moment and using all my contacts to stay in the company I'm at as my contract just finished. It's a bit demoralising (am about to submit my cv for a role I wouldn't usually) but I'm trying to stay there so have to swallow my pride ego and do it Blush

Rosemary46 · 23/06/2019 13:45

We recently had an interview candidate for a job contact one of our existing employees doing the same role. Applicant didn’t know her at all but he contacted her on LinkedIn ( which she ignored ) and then via her company email.

She asked her line manager for advice and they agreed that she would send a polite “ brush off “ email . “ I don’t know much about the job in X , however there’s information on the company website, good luck “.

He then send ANOTHER two emails ( to LinkedIN and her work ) asking for more detailed information. It was clear from the questions that he wanted her to write his interview answers for him.

Unsurprisingly didn’t get the job .

Most companies have policies about job applications which mean that existing employees and directors have to let HR know if they are contacted by an applicant and they have to declare any existing connection. It’s to avoid unfairness when what looks like an objective reference is actually given by a friend or relative.

OP your connection with this person is tenuous and it doesn’t sound like she knows you well enough to write a formal reference. Please don’t put her in a difficult positions by getting in touch.

Direct your questions to HR or the company website.

WatermelonCarrier · 23/06/2019 14:42

Thanks all - I wasn't so much thinking she would help or that I had an advantage here, more that it might seem weird if she saw my name on the applicants list knowing I know she's a director and hadn't said anything.

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WatermelonCarrier · 23/06/2019 14:54

Anyone else have any thoughts?

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AnybodysDude · 23/06/2019 16:32

Is she the recruiting line manager?

By all means contact whoever is listed on the vacancy and ask tlif you can meet up for a coffee to discuss the role because you are hoping to apply and have some questions. I do this with every job. If your acquaintance is a director but nothing to do with this role, I wouldn't contact her.

rainbowunicorn · 23/06/2019 17:07

In my company the Directors have nothing to do with recruitment. The Line managers and Team Leaders for each department are the ones who do this. The directors wouldn't even see the applications or list of names.
I wouldn't contact her as it may seem like you are trying to get an advantage and might be counterproductive.

oneforthepain · 23/06/2019 17:27

You visited the departments because it was an internal interview process. This is totally different.

Unless you're still in contact with her anyway it would look weird and potentially inappropriate to contact her to say you're applying. I would expect most people to interpret that as an attempt to milk them or gain an advantage.

I honestly have never heard of anybody even think about asking to visit a company in advance of an interview to look around. Unless it was a retail business where you could visit a shop or something. You suss out the company at interview - they give you space to ask questions. Businesses don't have the time or spare resources to arrange tours for random third parties wanting to apply for jobs - can you imagine how many people that might be? Plus all the security issues involved in that.

If you get the interview, entering the building ten minutes early gives you time to get a bit of a feel for what it's like, how people are, the environment and surface culture etc as well as calm yourself a bit. Any earlier and it's awkward, later and you don't have time to absorb things. And obviously be aware that the receptionist will probably be asked for their impressions of you after you leave.

As for research, the own company's website yes, but also the sector and competitors. Gain an understanding of how they position themselves in their sector and against competitors, what's different about them, what their strengths are, what they're known for, what the challenges are for the business, where they're aiming over the next few years, what you can glean of their culture, how they're regarded by others, etc.

Knowing what they say about themselves on the website is important, but you need to know more. And it's less impressive if you sound like you're reciting their website back to them!

You want to know the things that are important to them so that you can highlight how that fits you and your experience, and so you can pitch yourself and your communication skills in a style that fits theirs. Speaking their language basically.

Networking is about building relationships and maintaining them (and in the context of an existing maintained relationship mentioning you're thinking of applying would be normal and unproblematic), so that's a worthwhile endeavour as a separate exercise. Networking is not contacting somebody out of the blue to tell them you've applied to work at their company.

ChikiTIKI · 23/06/2019 19:26

I think it would be weird if you didn't say anything to her. Not sure what advice I can give though. Could you send a brief email something along the lines of. "Hope you're well. I saw this role and it seems like the perfect fit so I am going to apply" and then maybe ask a specific question about the role or company?

I don't know. I find these things so awkward! Whether I sent an email or not I would feel awkward about the situation!!

WatermelonCarrier · 24/06/2019 02:26

@oneforthepain
That's really helpful, thank you.

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