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To feel annoyed that I missed out on a job because I am a woman

320 replies

curtainsy · 20/06/2019 19:28

I've just started back at work after 12 months off for maternity leave. Before I went off I had a meeting with HR and my manager to go over my rights etc. One of the things HR said was that they have to keep me informed of job vacancies.

I have now started back and found out that a promotion came up within my team 2 months ago. Four colleagues applied and one of them was appointed. AIBU to be absolutely raging that I wasn't informed?
I don't actually know what to do about it as it's all been done now and he is in this new job so I feel like complaining is pointless.

OP posts:
Daygals · 20/06/2019 20:39

Erm because keeping in touch works both ways OP?

You say they were supposed to advise you of vacancies, but did you agree what form that would take.

If they emailed you, I think they'll be perfectly reasonable to say they did inform you. It''s not unreasonable to expect you to log on, in your own interest, every few weeks imo

OverseasWorker · 20/06/2019 20:39

Sorry nothing to add but the best line I've read on here for weeks......
my brain didn't fall out of my vagina when I gave birth

Notanidiot · 20/06/2019 20:39

Sorry Curtainsy but agree with some others that you didn't miss out just because you are a woman on maternity leave.

Other people, including men as well as women, miss out on applying for jobs bscause they are on sick leave or were on a long holiday. These things just happen.

Twickerhun · 20/06/2019 20:40

How did they say they would let you know? And would they let you know of all vacancies?

curtainsy · 20/06/2019 20:40

It was advertised via internal work email.

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Lauzy86 · 20/06/2019 20:41

Definitley take it up with HR. You should have been alerted to any job opportunities whilst you were off. You are still an employee.

Reading the above comment about not getting the job anyway because you've been off for the year is a little unfair. We have no idea how long OP has been in post, what her skills are etc she could have been perfect for the role. Just because someone is on mat leave doesn't mean they want to go back and take it easy. I imagine some women stay in a position when TTC to avoid added stress, get the full benefits of mat leave and so on, but that doesn't mean they want their career to be on hold forever! I know if my superiors job came up I would definitely be applying and be expected to be taken as seriously as any other candidate - and yes I am on mat leave.

Cheby · 20/06/2019 20:41

They have a duty to contact you about this. I’ve been contacted by letter and using my personal email address about jobs which I’ve come up while I was on mat leave.

I would ask your manager what the fuck happened, for a start. If they have no credible explanation, then speak to HR and ask them what they are going to do about the discrimination you have experienced.

As you say, they can’t undo it now. What I’m finding out about employment law is that it doesn’t make companies/organisations do the right thing, at best it makes them pay when they have done the wrong thing.

Iseesheep · 20/06/2019 20:42

If you were in the market for promotion you should have kept your eye on it then.

Thehop · 20/06/2019 20:42

I’d be angry too but if you did t keep abreast of the internal communications......

I’m not sure they have to go out of their way to send to people on leave?

Lazypuppy · 20/06/2019 20:43

@curtainsy if you knew you wouldn't have access to work email, did you give anyone your personal email? How did you agree that HR would contact you?

Cheby · 20/06/2019 20:43

Oh and the poster who said you wouldn’t have got the job anyway as you’d been out a year can get in the fucking sea. OP responded perfectly to this ridiculous assertion.
(I walked back into a promotion after mat leave, for reference)

Lazypuppy · 20/06/2019 20:45

@Cheby well done. But some people do struggle going back, took me about 12 weeks to feel like i had settled back in and mastered the nursery run etc.

HumpHumpWhale · 20/06/2019 20:45

I'm a civil servant and my department has a mailing list for those on any kind of long term absence from the department, so mat leave, career break or loan out, all of which I've had, and for all of which i've received emails about all vacancies that came up for which I was eligible, i.e. my grade and the grade above. It's not that hard and they should have done it, especially as they said they would.

curtainsy · 20/06/2019 20:46

I am a little hurt that colleagues haven't informed me either, but I know that it's not up to them to let me know. A few colleasgues have asked me why I didn't apply for it and didn't realise I hadn't been told. There hasn't been a promotion to this role for over 15 years so it's just really upsetting that I didn't get a chance.

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Jimdandy · 20/06/2019 20:47

When I was working in local government and on mat leave, all internal vacancies were emailed to me personally when they were sent around the rest of the authority.

I can’t believe the bashing you’re getting on here OP. You are 1000% in the right and I’d be following the full internal grievance procedure and going to tribunal if necessary. You were directly discriminated against, you weren’t offered an opportunity due to being on mat leave. You can’t be treated any differently, hence you still get hol pay etc

Women should be challenging any discrimination in any form and fighting for recognition that we are biologically at a disadvantage in the work place.

We need to fight for our rights to change things.

JQBased · 20/06/2019 20:47

So you weren't checking work emails as you were looking after a baby...but you wanted to be notified about promotions? 🤔 You were off on maternity leave, they filled a gap, you by your own admission stated you didn't check work emails etc...I'm sorry but I don't see how this is because you were a woman, but I do so how you just weren't suitable for that position at that time because if you were they would've been on the phone to you. Not everything is because of some kind of "...ism".

YourSarcasmIsDripping · 20/06/2019 20:48

When you logged back into your emails was there an email about the job at all?

Did they have the means to contact you while on maternity leave? (Like alternative email)

GPatz · 20/06/2019 20:50

'Unlikely you would have got that job anyway having been out of work for a year'

Utter rubbish. I work for a LA and was promoted two months back from maternity.

Cheby · 20/06/2019 20:51

@Cheby well done. But some people do struggle going back, took me about 12 weeks to feel like i had settled back in and mastered the nursery run etc.

Same here first time round so I completely get it. Second time wasn’t a problem for me though (other than perm mum guilt!). The point being, we do not discriminate against women because they have taken maternity leave.

Tallgreenbottle · 20/06/2019 20:52

Ultimately OP how likely would you have been to get the role? Maybe they took this in to consideration too.

Cheby · 20/06/2019 20:52

So many people here don’t understand maternity rights and the concept of discrimination. OP, try Maternity Action. They might be able to give you some advice.

Yellowcar2 · 20/06/2019 20:52

But they did tell you. You just didn't check your emails

curtainsy · 20/06/2019 20:53

HR and management have my personal email before I went off on maternity leave. I emailed back and forth from it a few times to ensure they had it. I check personal email a few times a day as it's linked to my phone so if they had emailed me I would have received it. I was just forgotten about.

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Tallgreenbottle · 20/06/2019 20:53

Also if there hadnt been a promotion to the position for 15yrs OP, and they didn't inform you, that probably also means they had him in mind for the job anyway. And not you.

JassyRadlett · 20/06/2019 20:54

No need to be upset, but it's fair enough to point out that no one comes back to work as if they haven't left after a year off - doesn't matter if it's a woman on maternity leave or a man who took a sabbatical. It takes some time to catch up. No need to take everything personally.

I came back from mat leave to the promotion I won when 8 months pregnant. No issues. Probably easier than going back to my existing post in terms of ‘catching up’.

If you were in the market for promotion you should have kept your eye on it then.

I’m not sure it meets the bar of reasonableness to expect someone to check their work emails on a very regular basis while on maternity leave on the offchance an appropriate job might be advertised. The burden on the manager to do this is much lower (curtainsy is eligible for that, I’ll forward it to her) than on the person on mat leave (log on once a week, trawl through emails on the offchance there’s been an appropriate job opening in the team, even assuming you still have access to work systems while on mat leave, even if they have remote access usually.

Many organisations will suspect IT accounts, mailboxes etc if people are on leave for more than a stated period, eg 3 months in several places I’ve worked. This saves money. Some people don’t have remote access at all - should they drop by work once a week to check for jobs?

It’s the responsibility of the organisation to ensure those on mat leave aren’t treated unfavourably compared to colleagues. Not being informed in a reasonable way about a promotion for which she was eligible is unfavourable treatment.

I really hope none of the ‘you should have kept an eye on your emails’ posters are managers. Managers still have responsibilities to their staff on parental leave.