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to not know how to explain the pronunciation of 'little' and 'britain' in RP?

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shutyourlittleface · 18/06/2019 13:28

You know the little nasal stop used in 'Bri()an' and the little mouth click in 'li()le?

Can anyone help me out?

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shutyourlittleface · 18/06/2019 13:28

This has nothing to do with the show Little Britain either by the way!

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Chune · 18/06/2019 13:30

Glottal stop?

teyem · 18/06/2019 13:31

A have a vague recollection that it's called something like a gluttal stop, but I'm reaching back in the the dusty long memory of a-levels, so could be wrong.

teyem · 18/06/2019 13:31

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shutyourlittleface · 18/06/2019 13:32

But a glottal stop is more like the cockney/Essex way of saying it isn't it. I'm thinking more Teresa May

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modgepodge · 18/06/2019 13:32

Yep, glottal stops.

justbeniceplease · 18/06/2019 13:32

Do you not just pronounce the T's?

shutyourlittleface · 18/06/2019 13:33

Essex 'little' sounds completely different to Jacob Rees-Mogg's 'little'

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QuestionableMouse · 18/06/2019 13:35

Iirc it's t tapping. You tap your tongue on the roof of your mouth which makes a stop.

zinrepus · 18/06/2019 13:41

The hyper-aspirated "T" sound that is somewhere between a "t" and an "h", I'm guessing is what you mean...

This British Library page seems to touch on it, in a few different ways...
www.bl.uk/learning/langlit/sounds/case-studies/received-pronunciation/connected-speech/

On the other hand, I'm unsure if it's canonical RP, but I'll admit my RP training is murky at best. Smile

shutyourlittleface · 18/06/2019 13:45

Thanks @zinrepus I've just read that and they still don't explain the RP pronunciation of Britain! It's like a stop and then the air comes out of the nose. A glottal stop, the air comes out of the mouth after the stop

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shutyourlittleface · 18/06/2019 13:46

And T Tapping sounds different to the clicky sound I'm thinking of in 'little'

T tapping sounds like it's referring to the American style of saying 'little'

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SupermassiveBlackHo · 18/06/2019 13:46

Little is quite similar to the Welsh Ll, but not as pronounced. You're right, it's very hard to explain!

shutyourlittleface · 18/06/2019 13:49

Also glottal stops can be used for getting, little, nettle, netting.

But the RP click noise would only work for little and nettle out of my list above!

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Magpiefeather · 18/06/2019 13:58

At drama school I was taught the sound in the middle of “little” “kettle” etc is a lateral plosion

KevinKlineSwoon · 18/06/2019 13:59

Definitely glottal stops. To throw in another term - the 'd' sound in words like suddenly is called nasal plosion.

Magpiefeather · 18/06/2019 14:00

Which makes sense to me as you can feel the air going sideways between the sides of your tongue and your side teeth

Wormentrude · 18/06/2019 14:02

I think it's a lateral plosive, in the case of the '-ttl-' of 'little'. It's a bit like the start of a Welsh 'll'.

In 'Britain', I think it's a glottal stop with another consonant overlaying it, but I'm not sure.

MargotsFlounceyBlouse · 18/06/2019 14:06

I don't think it's Glottal stops - they're more Essex innit? I think I know the sound you're referring to, it's that rather breathy lispy "t" sound. What it's called? No idea.

shutyourlittleface · 18/06/2019 14:06

YES!!!! Nasal and lateral plosives!!

THANK YOU WineWine

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shutyourlittleface · 18/06/2019 14:06

Little uses a lateral plosion and Britain uses a nasal plosion.

I can sleep now.

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