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In thinking you should vaccinate against Chicken Pox if you can afford it?

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shutyourlittleface · 17/06/2019 19:46

I just don't see the downside.

I currently have two mum mates moaning about their nurseries having confirmed chicken pox cases. They could just have their kids vaccinated to alleviate the worry surely?

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Bloomburger · 18/06/2019 06:57

DS was seriously poorly when he had it all THREE times. He had spots everywhere even inside his foreskin, it was heartbreaking to see him so uncomfortable.

I just can't understand why, if parents can afford, it they don't get their children vaccinated against it, why would you rather your child go through the discomfort and potential risk of serious complications.

DD was vaccinated as soon as possible and I felt rather relieved when 21 of her 24 class went down with chicken pox over the course of 8 weeks, add on siblings and then the older children who were at school the you're looking at an outbreak potentially affecting a hundred kids.

DS has also had the HPV vaccine and DD the meningitis B as both missed out on the schedule but I do realise we are extremely fortunate to be able to afford to do this privately.

Fucket · 18/06/2019 06:57

I vaccinated my children against chickenpox, our eldest boy has been bought the hpv too. They’ve had every single free vaccine on the nhs and I am happy to pay for any vaccines that have been trialled and deemed safe in the UK. Chickenpox vaccines are given on the nhs in this country to children in families with relatives who have cancer etc. So it is safe to give on the nhs.

I absolutely judge any parent who prioritises the need for meals out, nice clothes etc over their kids health.

I say this as a person who had a reaction to the whooping cough vaccine as a child, and subsequently missed out on the rest of her vaccines, but had them all later in my 20s. I have had a grandparent who lost a lung and several ribs to TB, my stepmother is deaf from having had measles.

So for £150 per child I have immune children who have mingled around with kids with chickenpox and never caught it. That means no facial scarring, reduced chance of shingles (had it myself it’s super shit), if they do catch CP it will be mild and therefore less complications, they don’t suffer with horrendous symptoms, I don’t take time off work and have to soothe sick children I knew I could’ve prevented suffering by getting vaccinated.

I bet within a decade the nhs will introduce CP vaccine into childhood vaccination programme. Especially by then we will probably be one of the few western countries not offering it.

zsazsajuju · 18/06/2019 06:58

@Noodledoodledoo I’m afraid your post shows you do have anti vaxxer ideas. Why would you not have men b for your dc? She was one month outside the group for NHS vaccination. The risk of getting men b is small but the vaccine has no risk and it’s an absolutely devastating disease. Why wouldn’t you protect against it unless you think there is some sort of risk to the vaccine that isn’t borne out by the science? That makes you an anti vaxxer.

londonrach · 18/06/2019 07:05

Thanks op...its been on my list of things to do. My daughter aged 2 still not got it desoite withiut realising playing with two children on two different days who came down with it that night after she played with them. Anyone got idea where you go as thats what stopping me as goggle finds nothing in my area.

BlueSkiesLies · 18/06/2019 07:05

I need to jot read these threads. The number of anti vaxers having children is too many.

Shame the anti vaxers don’t get with mumps-infertile men really. Then they would really be practicing what they preach, and an added upside of not harming future generations herd immunity.

londonrach · 18/06/2019 07:10

My dd vaccine against everythung nhs can do but i was skightly worried re the spray flu one. I decided to go for it but id be happier if it be injection. The reason my dmil is immune compressed and looks after her

Pinkmouse6 · 18/06/2019 07:14

Yeah, sure SS would remove children from parents who can’t afford £160 for a vaccination. Great system that would be Hmm.

I didn’t bother doing it. Mine caught it at 4, 5 and 6 and school. It was fine, they lost a week of school but didn’t even feel ill with it. It’s only dangerous to pregnant women if they’ve never had it.

shutyourlittleface · 18/06/2019 07:16

I absolutely judge any parent who prioritises the need for meals out, nice clothes etc over their kids health.

Oh goodness, me too

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shutyourlittleface · 18/06/2019 07:17

t’s only dangerous to pregnant women if they’ve never had it.

It more dangerous to a lot more people than that. Read the thread, and do some research. Glad your kids were fine with it, some aren't

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ethelfleda · 18/06/2019 07:19

Any side effects to the vaccine at all?

evilharpy · 18/06/2019 07:34

We were going to do it but while we were trying to organise it (we live in the sticks and nowhere seemed to have stock) my daughter came down with CP. Thankfully she really wasn’t too poorly with it and has no scarring but I would not have taken that for granted.

I’ve never had it myself but I’ve been exposed many times so assume I have natural immunity.

Passthecherrycoke · 18/06/2019 07:37

“I absolutely judge any parent who prioritises the need for meals out, nice clothes etc over their kids health.

Oh goodness, me too”

Who cares? I judge you for being a sheep who probably knows nothing about vaccines. I’m sure you don’t care about that either

ValleyoftheHorses · 18/06/2019 07:46

DS has had the varicella and Men B jabs, he’s 7 so paid privately for both and happy that I did.
I had CP at 14 and it was miserable. I also know someone who had it in pregnancy and it wasn’t a happy outcome.
I would like to know what I need to do when he’s older- further booster of each In late teens?
He’ll be having the HPV jab - hopefully on the NHS but will pay for it if necessary. HPV causes oral and throat cancers in young people.

ohmydaysagain · 18/06/2019 07:48

Chicken pox as an adult is much worse than chicken pox as a child 🙄

JamieVardysHavingAParty · 18/06/2019 07:54

As for rubella, I'd rather see women of childbearing age be given the vaccine, instead of it being given to small children, half of whom will receive no benefit from it.

The UK tried that. It meant that the disease circulated freely and lots of pregnant women still caught it.

Personally, I think we should stop thinking of children as just something women have. It benefits young boys not to pick up rubella from nursery and give it to their pregnant mothers expecting a sibling, and it benefits adult men when their children aren't born with entirely preventable disabilities.

SmellMySmellbow · 18/06/2019 07:55

I got DS done when he hadn't caught it by 5 when it started going round school. I know of one friend's child with really bad facial scarring (despite not scratching) and another who was in ICU with a secondary infection from it that nearly killed him. It's not always mild. Plus it was a no brainer to me to pay £120 to not have to take a week off work to look after him. Or £120 to avoid him being sick for a week and miss school, best case scenario.

Tobebythesea · 18/06/2019 08:02

I don’t think the vaccine is a good idea. Just let your child get chickenpox and then they are immune. It was an awful week but my DD has now had it and won’t get it in adulthood.

The only parents I know who have vaccinated their children work in full time, full on jobs and can afford the jab but not time off work.

JamieVardysHavingAParty · 18/06/2019 08:04

^Chapter Contents
Immunisation against infectious disease
28: Rubella
NOTIFIABLE
VIEWS CHAPTER PDF SHARE TOOLS
The disease

Rubella is a mild disease caused by a togavirus. There may be a mild prodromal illness involving a low-grade fever, malaise, coryza and mild conjunctivitis. Lymphadenopathy involving post-auricular and sub-occipital glands may precede the rash. The rash is usually transitory, erythematous and mostly seen behind the ears and on the face and neck. Clinical diagnosis is unreliable as the rash may be fleeting and is not specific to rubella.
Rubella is spread by droplet transmission. The incubation period is 14 to 21 days, with the majority of individuals developing a rash 14 to 17 days after exposure. Individuals with rubella are infectious from one week before symptoms appear to four days after the onset of the rash.
Complications include thrombocytopaenia (the rate may be as high as one in 3000 infections) and post-infectious encephalitis (one in 6000 cases) (Lokletz and Reynolds, 1965; Plotkin and Orenstein, 2004). In adults, arthritis and arthralgia may occasionally be seen after rubella infection; chronic arthritis has rarely been reported (Plotkin and Orenstein, 2004).
Maternal rubella infection in pregnancy may result in fetal loss or in congenital rubella syndrome (CRS). CRS presents with one or more of the following:

cataracts and other eye defects

deafness

cardiac abnormalities

microcephaly

retardation of intra-uterine growth

inflammatory lesions of brain, liver, lungs and bone marrow.
Infection in the first eight to ten weeks of pregnancy results in damage in up to 90% of surviving infants; multiple defects are common. The risk of damage declines to about 10 to 20% with infection occurring between 11 and 16 weeks gestation (Miller et al., 1982). Fetal damage is rare with infection after 16 weeks of pregnancy, with only deafness being reported following infections up to 20 weeks of pregnancy. Some infected infants may appear normal at birth but perceptive deafness may be detected later (Miller et al., 1982; Plotkin and Orenstein, 2004).
History and epidemiology of the disease
Before the introduction of rubella immunisation, rubella occurred commonly in children, and more than 80% of adults had evidence of previous rubella infection (Morgan Capner et al., 1988).
Rubella immunisation was introduced in the UK in 1970 for pre-pubertal girls and non-immune women of childbearing age to prevent rubella infection in pregnancy. Rather than interrupting the circulation of rubella, the aim of this strategy was to directly protect women of childbearing age by increasing the proportion with antibody to rubella; this increased from 85 to 90% before 1970 to 97 to 98% by 1987 (Vyse et al., 2002). Surveillance for congenital rubella was established in 1971 to monitor the impact of the vaccination programme. During the period 1971–75 there were an average of 48 CRS births and 742 terminations annually in the UK (Tookey and Peckham, 1999) (see Figure 28.1).^

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Universal immunisation against rubella, using the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine, was introduced in October 1988. The aim of this policy was to interrupt circulation of rubella among young children, thereby protecting susceptible adult women from exposure. At the same time, rubella was made a notifiable disease. A considerable decline in rubella in young children followed the introduction of MMR, with a concomitant fall in rubella infections in pregnant women – from 167 in 1987 to one in 2003.

pcouk.org/chapter.aspx?sectionid=78928709&bookid=1353

Let's not go back to just immunising adults, please.

prawnpatrol · 18/06/2019 08:15

*I don’t think the vaccine is a good idea. Just let your child get chickenpox and then they are immune. It was an awful week but my DD has now had it and won’t get it in adulthood.

The only parents I know who have vaccinated their children work in full time, full on jobs and can afford the jab but not time off work.*

You can get CP more than once
Some cases of CP are so bad that it causes 25 deaths a year in the UK plus disabilities and long term effects.

Your DD could get it again, I am happy she had a mild case for sure and hope she doesn't.

I don't want to expose my DC to it if I can afford it, I understand it is expensive

I only work part time, I still don't want to take time off if I can choose, as anyone I am sure.

shutyourlittleface · 18/06/2019 08:33

Any side effects to the vaccine at all?

The usual side affects very similar to the MMR

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shutyourlittleface · 18/06/2019 08:37

Some cases of CP are so bad that it causes 25 deaths a year in the UK plus disabilities and long term effects.

This.

Anyone know what's up with cherry?

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Emmabryant123 · 18/06/2019 08:43

We haven't vaccinated my 3 year old ATM
Plan to if she gets to secondary school and hasn't caught it
CP can kill yes but it's v rare and you can get complications from the common cold ...
You will always hear the horror stories online as opposed to hundreds and thousands of stories who it was uncomfortable and child was a bit ill but actually it was ok ...

Plus we cant afford to vaccinate atm

Emmabryant123 · 18/06/2019 08:43

I wish CP vaccine would become available on the NHS though
It's money stopping us mostly

nespressowoo · 18/06/2019 08:52

My DS currently has it. He's been fine to be honest. It's ironic as I was just booking the immunisation the night before and I saw the first flipping spot the day after!

SparklyMagpie · 18/06/2019 09:04

I have thought about getting DS vaccinated for this, but due to financial situation I haven't been able to :(

I worry about this I had to be tested as I'd never had CP, my blood results shown that I had but they reckon I was one of the ones who never had any spots. I'm also urging my mum to have a blood test as she was exactly the same and theres no evidence she's had them.

My DS is 4 in a couple of months and there have been 3 cases, 1 in his old nursery and 2 in the school he's in now and he appears to be one of the only ones who hasn't caught it.

Reading all of this has confirmed more that I need to get him vaccinated so will speak to his dad today to see if we can come up with a solution so we can get DS the vaccination. If I'd have had the funds sooner it would have been a no brainer

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