To think that if you claim to support lesbians you should agree with this statement?

[TheLWordNotTheQWord]

"Exclusive same sex attraction is a valid and real sexuality, there is absolutely nothing objectionable about being exclusively same sex attracted, and those who are should be able to live their sexuality free from any form of hate, discrimination, coercion or harassment, and are fully supported by our organisation as part of the LGBT community”

Four major UK LGBT organisations have declined to support this statement. All of them claim to represent - and receive government funding to support - lesbian women:

"LGBT Health did not respond to any of our attempts to secure a response from them in regard to our statement, even after discussing our email with us in a phone call and reassuring us they would respond. LGBT Youth Scotland replied to say they had received our emails, but did not give their support for our statement and ignored our further attempts at contact. Stonewall told us ‘we cannot help you with that’, so they formally declined. And the Equality Network told us they never provide support for statements they don’t write themselves, however they did go on to confirm with us that they do not consider women to be lesbians on the basis of being female homosexuals, because the only way they define the term ‘lesbian’, is based on gender identity (so for example they would not, then, consider women who are solely attracted to other females regardless of their identity, as lesbian women)."

(see page 24: secureservercdn.net/160.153.137.99/hjn.a49.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/FEMALE-ONLY-PROVISION-REPORT-1.pdf )

Any organisation that won’t support that perfectly reasonable statement in the OP shouldn’t be able to claim that it supports lesbians.... much less be given public funding to do that work, if it’s not actually going to support any lesbians.

Four major UK LGBT organisations have declined to support this statement.

If they can't support that entirely reasonable statement, they're not really L (or G&B for that matter) organisations any more, are they?

Totally reasonable to support that statement, if you do, indeed, honestly support lesbians.

Organisation that won't support it are not lesbian-friendly, and they should remove the L from their name or their 'about' pages.

It's not gay friendly either, to ignore such a statement, so they should remove the G too.

Never, ever thought I'd live to see the day that LBG orgs were denying exclusive same sex orientation. It's the kind of thing a really anti-gay conservative religious organisation would refuse to support.

I wish I could say I'm surprised. ☹ sigh.

It might be good to pin them down on precisely which element(s) of that statement they don't support.

1. Exclusive same sex attraction is a valid and real sexuality - yes or no? (If no, explain why it is not valid) 2)there is absolutely nothing objectionable about being exclusively same sex attracted - yes or no? (If no, explain what is objectionable)
2. and those who are should be able to live their sexuality free from any form of hate, discrimination, coercion or harassment - yes or no? 4)and are fully supported by our organisation as part of the LGBT community - yes or no? (If no, then please confirm that funds intended to support homosexuals will be declined and given to organisations who will fully support them).

Source? Who is the author of the piece and which organisation, if any, are they affiliated with? Your post is pretty worthless without that information.

I can make educated guesses. And as a lesbian I agree with how the propaganda has been ignored, because although the statement is innocuous the intention behind it is not. Yet more dogwhistle transphobia typical of Mumsnet.

So I’m female and am only sexually attracted to females. But LGBT organisations won’t support that statement? WTAF??

Full disclosure: I’m a heterosexual female only attracted to men but wtf does that matter??

@WelcomeToGreenvale what does that mean please?

WelcomeToGreenvale - the link in the OP is the source and gives details of the organisation.

Context..

Ah yeah, more trans hate.

How is it trans hate to accept that some people have exclusive same sex orientations, and that that is both valid and real ?

I never see these statements being made about gay men and trans men. It's always about lesbian's and trans women. We constantly have to defend our choice of who we will date and have sex with. Absolutely tiring.

Ah yeah, more trans hate. point out the trans hate and I report it myself, otherwise stop policing lesbian’s rights to discuss the homophobia they’re suffering.

The statement is about lesbian women’s rights? Doesn’t mention anyone else. In no way is that statement being hateful to anyone.

Anyone who centres make feelings to the extent that they think that lesbians shouldn’t have the right to a lesbian relationship without being told that they are hateful needs to have a very serious word with themselves.

• male feelings

point out the trans hate

"Trans hate" = when women refuse to be re-defined and to have their sexual boundaries eroded to suit the agendas of aggressive males.

Nothing hateful or transphobic about this at all, WiddlinDiddlin. You can't legislate attraction.

Or, more like: you arguably can - it probably just means people will lie a lot more in order not to fall foul of the law.

FWIW, I'm a straight female. As such, I happen not to find other females sexually attractive. You can make me pretend I do (and then wiggle my way out by acting as though I just don't fancy gingers/short men/clean shaven faces/whatever/ ...) but it won't change how I actually feel one bit. Don't see any reason why we shouldn't afford everyone the chance to be honest about it.

There's no 'trans hate' in those statements. It's merely supportive of homosexuality.
We could - perhaps should - pair it with an identical statement with 'same gender' instead of 'same sex'. All fine. All 'valid'. Any sexuality between any freely consenting adults, absolutely fine. Any hate, discrimination, coercion or harassment because of it, unacceptable.

Let's look at the entirety before jumping to conclusions: Which organisation did this originate from? What context? What motivation? Is the the entirety of the statement? Do these organisations not have their statement of support for lesbians AND the others they represent and support? If so, what is the need for further clarification?

Looking at the link it seems the organisations would be sideline the T they also represent. It is obviously not the statement they object to, but the context and motivation.

I feel this post is designed to scaremonger and horrify without providing the full story. Please research before condemning!

More context needed here please OP. Who issued the statement?

More context needed here please OP. Who issued the statement?

Any woman has an absolute right to agency over her sexuality. I cannot believe that’s controversial.

The statement doesn’t say eg trans women cannot be lesbians, which organisations such as Stonewall disagree with. It literally says that some lesbians will be attracted based on sex not gender and that this is valid.

And we are told the cotton ceiling doesn’t exist.

I feel this post is designed to scaremonger and horrify without providing the full story. Please research before condemning!

If there's more 'full story' you think people should read, in addition to the link (which includes organisation, context, motivation etc) please do provide it. You may have seen something others aren't aware of.

What is the 'full story' and motivation of LBGT organisations not agreeing with that statement (given they could easily add that they similarly support homogenderality). ?

More context needed here please OP. Who issued the statement?

I think that's explained in the link in the OP, isn't it?

They do not want to be affiliated with the organisation, and that is fair enough. If the Ku Klux Klan would ask me to endorse their statement that pineapple does not belong on pizza, I would still say no, even if I have never agreed with anything more in my life.